Freakquel #13: The Conjuring: Last Rites

[00:00:19] Speaker A: Hello, everyone, and welcome to Odd Trilogies with Logan and Andy. I'm Logan. So. [00:00:23] Speaker B: And I'm Andy Carr. [00:00:24] Speaker A: In Odd Odd Trilogies, we usually take a trio of films, whether tied by cast and crew, thematic elements, or just numerical order, and we discuss the good, the bad, and the weird surrounding each film. And today we're actually just doing one film. It's actually our first Freequel in a while. Is it our second prequel of the year? [00:00:42] Speaker B: I believe that's our second of the. [00:00:44] Speaker A: Year because last one was Wolfman, a film that everyone remembers came out January. [00:00:48] Speaker B: No, this is our third of the year. [00:00:50] Speaker A: What was the second one? [00:00:51] Speaker B: Number two of the year was God's Not Dead 5. [00:00:56] Speaker A: Oh, shit. Well, that makes sense as to why I forgot that one. [00:00:59] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:01:00] Speaker A: But yeah, I will. I will say here, probably the. Maybe Andy will think this is a hot take. Out of the three Frequels we're doing so far this year, this is the best of the three. Yeah. Because back in 2021, we covered the Conjuring trilogy thinking that even though the third film did decently well, even during a Covid era where that was kind of getting released on Max same weekend as it was coming out in theaters, we assumed that there wasn't gonna be any interest for another one. And lo and behold, I believe last year we found out that. I think through random. Like, I think I found out through Vera Farmiga's Instagram. I think I found out through that. Or like Patrick Wilson, where were you. [00:01:50] Speaker B: When you found out about the. [00:01:51] Speaker A: They, like, were getting. Giving this heartfelt message about, like, being the Warrens together and whatnot. That in fact, our frequent. Today is about the fourth, which we will talk about. Not necessarily final film in the contrary universe. [00:02:08] Speaker B: God damn it. [00:02:09] Speaker A: But as of right now, it is the final film with Patrick Wilson and Vera Farmiga as the Warrens. And that is the Conjuring Lasts rights. That is as of recording, is one of the highest grossing opening weekends for a horror film ever. [00:02:25] Speaker B: Which is insane. [00:02:26] Speaker A: It's insane. [00:02:27] Speaker B: Never would have guessed because we talked. [00:02:30] Speaker A: About it before on our Noriko episode. But when we were talking through the films in the Conjuring universe, there are technically 10 as of now with Last Rites. [00:02:41] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:02:42] Speaker A: Some places will say nine, because for some reason, even though the Director of Conjuring 3 and 4, Michael Chavs, directed the Curse of La Llorona. [00:02:51] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:02:52] Speaker A: And has a character that is in a Conjuring film other than La Llorona. [00:02:58] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:02:58] Speaker A: Some people just do not count that movie as a part of The Conjuring Universe. [00:03:02] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:03:03] Speaker A: Let's be fair. Neither one of us have seen that. But listen, if you're doing some crossover characters and you're selling the film, a. [00:03:11] Speaker B: Conjuring esque movie, and you're branding it like a con. [00:03:15] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, it's a Conjuring. [00:03:17] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:03:18] Speaker A: It's in the Conjuring Universe. The. The tcu. [00:03:21] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:03:21] Speaker A: Or the tceu, you know, Conjure verse. Yeah. Or the tcaau, which is the Conjuring and Annabelle universe. Because God forbid that doll gets arrest. [00:03:34] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:03:35] Speaker B: God. [00:03:36] Speaker A: Which we'll talk about later. But the Conjuring Last Rites, it is a film that coming out of Conjuring three all those years ago, which you can go back to our episode and listen to it. We weren't really excited about what could be more. If they could even do more with this, because the Conjuring the Devil made me do it was the first film of the Conjuring movies to not have James Wan direct it, because James Wan was busy at the time with many other things. I mean, in between, I think Conjuring two and now he did Malignant Aquaman two. He's been. He's been producing a bunch of stuff that's not even in. Stuff that's not even in the horror genre. So it's like, it's, you know, the man's busy. And of course, why not get the guy that did the Nun. [00:04:27] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:04:28] Speaker A: And the Nun two, I believe. Or. Yeah. [00:04:31] Speaker B: No, he did both nuns. [00:04:35] Speaker A: I thought he did at least one. I thought he did three or three. No, two. I'm looking it up right now. I had it in my head, then I forgot it. Here it is. He only did the nun 2. He did not do the original. So. Yeah. So Michael Shavs, who directs the Conjuring the Devil made me do it. His first introduction into the conjuring universe is two years prior with 2019's the Curse of La Llorona, a film that has now been talked about more on this channel than has ever been on this pod that's ever been before. [00:05:08] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:05:09] Speaker A: And then after he did conjuring three, he did. In 2023, he did the nun two, which we both thought was better. The first one, which, again, it was. [00:05:21] Speaker B: A positive upturn from a very low spot. [00:05:24] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:05:24] Speaker A: Yeah. Neither one of us really enjoy the original Nun, so. So to come out of the nun 2 and not be like, that was a giant dumpster fire or that wasn't a giant dumpster fire was a positive. [00:05:36] Speaker B: Conversely, my wife Emma, who saw it with US loves the original nun and was mildly disappointed by the nun, too. [00:05:48] Speaker A: It's the funniest. It's. I'm. God bless her. [00:05:51] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:05:54] Speaker A: If anything, I'm glad the demon in conjuring 4 does not have a silly name like the nuns. Valak. But yeah. So in between Conjuring three and four, there is a Conjuring universe film. There are talks about what to do next, and there's always been kind of inklings of other things outside of movies, which we'll talk about later, because as of recording this, there has now been news that they are going to head with something else in the universe that isn't film related. But in case you haven't seen it yet, the Conjuring Last Rites is being sold as the film following the final case the Warrens ever took in their career. [00:06:38] Speaker B: The case that ended it all, as the poster reads. [00:06:41] Speaker A: Yeah. Ended their investigations, not the franchise, because we're seeing false advertising. [00:06:49] Speaker B: It says ended it all. [00:06:51] Speaker A: I know, I know, I know. But that's just how. That's what happens when you're number three. The highest crossing hour and box office opening weekend. But so the film. The film is about a entity that has been, you know, that was one of the first entities that the Warrens faced off when they were young kids, probably mid to late 20s, early 30s. They couldn't defeat it then. And, you know, years later now they're reportedly probably in their late 40s, early 50s, I think canonically, a family in Philadelphia, I think in Pittsburgh. [00:07:29] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:07:30] Speaker A: Gets the same artifact that they. That the Warrens fought all those years ago. This family starts to get terrorized. And by narrative, you know, kind of twists and turns, the Warrens now must deal with the thing that kind of started it all, or at least is kind of talked about as if it started it all in a way. And so going into that, we, you know, both Andy and I were like, all right, same director's. Conjuring three doesn't give us high hopes, but we hope for the best. Farmiga and Wilson are still involved. That's great. We're going back to the standard conjuring at this point, the standard conjuring formula, which is here's a family that has nothing to do blood relation wise or any kind of connection wise to the Warrens other than the fact that there's a spooky ghost or a demonic presence affecting them. And the Warrens deal with said presence. [00:08:30] Speaker B: Right. [00:08:30] Speaker A: And then there's a bunch of Warren's kind of personal drama or like, you know, family Stuff that happens in between those films. [00:08:36] Speaker B: A lot of family stuff in this one. [00:08:38] Speaker A: Yes. So the thing about the conjuring 4 is I would probably say it has the most family stuff. [00:08:44] Speaker B: Yeah, it is. [00:08:46] Speaker A: It's the biggest role that their daughter Judy has had in any of these movies. In this movie she's played by Mia Tomlinson, who's in. Who is playing Judy in like her early 20s. [00:08:58] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:08:59] Speaker A: This actress has never been in any of the Conjuring movies. In fact, this is one of her very first roles she's ever done. I'd say this probably her biggest role so far. And the film does have a lot. It centers around her way more than I think I expected it to. [00:09:18] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:09:19] Speaker A: And they do hide that well in the trailers. And in case it's not already clear, we're gonna be talking spoilers, gonna be talking the whole film and really getting. Dig. Dig deep into it. Because I think the most surprising thing about this movie when we came out of it is that Andy and I like, liked it. We both came out of it liking it more than three. In fact, I think we both. I think we ultimately came to like the same conclusion that this might be our second favorite Conjuring movie. Like. [00:09:51] Speaker B: Yeah, it's kind of really didn't expect. [00:09:54] Speaker A: No, like it's. It's kind of interesting because the Conjuring movies to me have always. You know, these movies have been going on since 2013. This is a 12 year. There's been 12 years running, 10 films. And you know, it is kind of an interesting thing because this is technically you could say the fifth film with the Warrens because the Warrens have a prominent part, I believe, in Annabelle 3, Judy's fucked up Slumber party, whatever that one's. Whatever that one's called is the third. [00:10:26] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:10:28] Speaker A: So like Patrick Wilson ver for me, get in that. So there's like five. Half of the films in this universe have the Wilsons and have the Warrens in some way shape or form. And to basically say this is going to be the last one. James. James Wan is not directing this film. He's producing it. Again, he helped with the story, but I believe it's Michael Shavs who helps direct and also I think co write the film. It was kind of surprising to not only see the film just be, you know, like a back to basics. Okay, so clarify. He did not write the film. But even so, like it is kind of surprising how much of this movie almost took probably all the criticisms that the third film had in terms of kind of look, and its execution in terms of doing something that is kind of left field from what the other two films did and doesn't really hit the same way. [00:11:21] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:11:22] Speaker A: But ultimately knew that, like, whether they wanted to continue going that way or go back to the basics, what really mattered is focusing on. On the Warrens, focusing on Wilson, focusing on Farmiga and really, you know, dealing with their relationship as well as what their family is doing, as well as just, you know, committing to the fact that, like, I mean, this is. If you are surprised by this statement, I'm sorry that I'm the one has to tell you, but these movies, while based off of, you know, things the Warrens have said really happened and based off of real cases in their files. There's a lot of embellishment, of course. There's a lot of. There's a lot of changing of the timelines. I even think in this movie, at the very end, in the credits, it implies that the family in Pittsburgh that the film is talking about and whatnot. The movie says it takes place in the mid to late 80s. I believe the case itself happened in the 70s. So, like, they're already kind of changing decades and doing this and that. If you look at any pictures of the Warrens and you look at the pictures of the Warrens in the conjuring movies, you can tell they're being very sweet in their castings in terms of going from, you know, the classic Hollywood interpretation of real life people. But, you know, this is. It is at this point, this is not a series that is, you know, really focused on being grounded or really trying to, like, really change too much of what, like, actually in terms of, like, the actual timeline, in terms of when Ed and Lorraine got together, when they pass away. Because, you know, there's always this kind of. It was so funny, I think, to Andy and I, especially with the third one. I even think the second one does this. There's like this kind of hint that, you know, there's always this danger that Ed might die because he has a heart condition. [00:13:18] Speaker B: Right. [00:13:19] Speaker A: But Ed doesn't die until the late 90s, early 2000s. These movies don't go past the late 80s. So, like, you know, I. We never really thought they were ever gonna go that hard until, like, being like, by the way, ed died in 87. [00:13:34] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:13:34] Speaker A: No, that's not. [00:13:35] Speaker B: Here's a complete historical fanfic. [00:13:39] Speaker A: And again, they. There is a little bit of that because I believe Judy. It's implied in the film that Judy is born in the 60s, which I believe either, like later in the 60s. And I believe she's. She's born because I think she's currently. She's currently 74, 75. Judy is. So I think she was born. Born the 50s. [00:14:00] Speaker B: I think it's 64 in the movie. [00:14:02] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. So there's a bit of an embellishment there. But I think it's the film. I think thankfully at a certain point this idea that like the. If you believe these films are telling the truth through and through. Okay. Like, there's not much else I could tell you with that other than like, you know, it is abs. It is these films really, I think at their best, and I think are enjoyed at their best when you're not looking at them like documentaries, which is very silly to say, but I bet there's some people out there that like, are a little too defensive about that aspect. Like, in my opinion, the best, the best moments in the Conjuring are finding the ways to balance between the grounded aspects of usually the warrens of it all and you know, the humanity of the families being involved with these traumatic experiences versus the Hollywood aspect of really going hard in the possessions, the exorcisms, the. The ghost or the entity fighting back. The house is being like torn to shreds, basically doing like, you know, at a certain point, conjuring two basically becomes a Universal theme park ride with how that house, just like the house practically gets pulled out from it's like foundation and floating at a certain. And it's like, that's fun. But in my opinion, like, I'm still in the mindset that I prefer the original film. Think you're still in the same boat too, where it's like that original film, I think really does capture that best balance between those two aspects as well as has scares that aren't entirely jump scares that are popping out of nowhere, which. [00:15:43] Speaker B: Yeah, well, I think that first movie did a lot for the kind of like classic haunted house style movie in the 2010s. [00:15:52] Speaker A: Yes. [00:15:52] Speaker B: I mean, you know, we were getting a lot of really elaborate, weird ghost stories or like really kind of over the top ridiculous or gory horror movies. And the Conjuring kind of plays its, you know, takes pages out of like the Exorcist and the Omen and things like that and kind of strips it back down to just what the hell is, you know, bumping around in this house. [00:16:21] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, I would say like the most, the most iconic, scary bit from the original film is the clapping bit. [00:16:30] Speaker B: Right, right. [00:16:31] Speaker A: And I think, you know, to the fourth film's credit, I think it has a bit like that clearly is harkening back to that. But I really like the fact that, like, you know, three had this energy of like, okay, you took a big swing. You didn't want to do another thing about, like, a family being terrorized by an object or like this entity that's haunting them. So you're going to do like a real life trial that the Warrens were in fact involved with. But it has to be this weird play of just like, you know, someone who killed people and said the devil did it and really toeing the line in a way that it's like, I don't think you're towing this line that well. I think it's kind of like, you know, the execution's a little faulty here. [00:17:14] Speaker B: And that was also like, kind of a legal drama. Yeah, yeah. [00:17:20] Speaker A: That ultimately ends with them losing because that's the first. It's like, oh, yeah, by the way, in real life, the case doesn't work. Yeah, like, they lose, but, like, they can't. They can't convince the jury that the devil made that man do it. Even though there's a whole section in that third film with, like, cultists and, like, underground tunnels and all that. It was, again, not saying it wasn't a worthwhile try to do something different, but it's very clear that, like, with four, it now makes three look like the odd duckling that we're like, oh, my God, can you believe we even tried to do anything? But, you know, a family getting scared by a spooky ghost and the war and show up and take it out. And to the film's credit, it shows that even with three films with that kind of baseline premise, there are still ways to keep it engaging and fun and even. Still creepy. Like, there's just some. There's some good shit in this movie that, like, you know, there's the. The whole aspects of the ghosts that are terrorizing the family. There's a whole thing with like, you know, the. The one male ghost, you know, the first time we're introduced to him is for. In front of a John Wayne poster in the basement. And then every single time after that, as an audience member, you're constantly looking at that poster. Think he's gonna pop up again. [00:18:37] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:18:38] Speaker A: And he never does, which I think is so well done and, like, such a great turnaround with that. There's this great thing about the fact that there's three different ghosts that are very distinct in how they look. There's this horrifying, disgusting old woman that is, like, being in all the marketing for the film. [00:18:55] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:18:55] Speaker A: There's like, the younger daughter of the younger female ghost that I believe her biggest moment is, like, attacking the father, which is also very intense moment. [00:19:04] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:19:05] Speaker A: And then of course, there's the husband, the male ghost, who is like the one that is constantly terrorizing everybody with an axe and walking around and. [00:19:15] Speaker B: Right. [00:19:17] Speaker A: And it just. Like, it's. It's hilarious to talk about this movie because it does have, like. It's funny to think that overall, when talking about this in terms of the conjuring sense, this feels like out of all the conjuring movies, the longest the Warrens go without being involved in the case. [00:19:35] Speaker B: Like, in that a good chunk of the movie is them doing other shit. Like mostly family stuff. Meanwhile, this family is getting terrorized. [00:19:44] Speaker A: Yeah. Because the thing is too, is, like, there's. I think they find an interesting way to get around the fact that, like, you know, there's probably. It might have been in an original script or maybe a first draft, that the mirror is always there consistently and they don't try to get rid of it. [00:19:59] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:20:00] Speaker A: And if that's the case, then if you would probably have, like, they would talk about the mirror on camera. And then that's when the Warrens get involved. Like, 45 minutes in, because they're like, that creepy ass mirror. Brings me back to when we were kids. But it's. I think it's a very. You know, there's kind. There's technically, like, two twists in the movie in a way that is not, like, it's not groundbreaking in any way, but they're fun and cheeky in terms of it. Like, the first twist being that the mirror is still in the house, even though they technically got rid of it physically. And it just, like, it's been high. It's like hide and seek in the attic. This entire time. No one wants to go up in the attic. And the second twist is the fact that, like, all these three ghosts that are terrorizing the family are just a front for this bigger, much more darker, powerful entity that is doing all this to basically get the Warrens there because that ghost has a connection to Judy and just basically wants to take Judy's soul. And yeah, it. It's mean. Again, I think the biggest issue with the movie is its length. [00:21:07] Speaker B: I think overall, two hours and 15 minutes or something. [00:21:12] Speaker A: If you cut 15, if this is a tight two, I think it really definitely could you maybe bumps it up another half star if you really, like, kind of, like, tighten it up a bit more. [00:21:22] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:21:23] Speaker B: There's a lot of repetition in, like, showing both Judy and Lorraine, like, having their visions where they're, like, realizing that, oh, you know, Judy is actually being tormented by this thing and blah, blah, blah. And, you know, it kind of goes back and forth with that maybe a couple too many times and maybe one or two scenes with each of them experiencing that could have gotten it across. [00:21:51] Speaker A: Yeah. And again, to give the film props, the third film is just under two hours. And I would argue. We would probably both argue that that film feels slower in every way. [00:22:02] Speaker B: Well, compared to this one. [00:22:04] Speaker A: And, you know, you might be out there, be like, well, is this, like, technically the longest film in the series and, like, reality? Not really. Like, Conjuring 2 is about the same length. And I would argue Conjuring 2 does have some pacing issues towards its second to third act. Because, like, there's this in between in Conjuring two where it's. I think it's almost like the. The Warrens doubt that the family is going through this trouble when they're in England. [00:22:29] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:22:29] Speaker A: And then they get brought back in, which is so, so stupid. That happens in the movie. So, again, I think, if anything, the things that kind of bog down. There's, like, three main things. I guess I could technically bog it down. I would say the second biggest thing is the runtime. The least amount is the fact that, like, we're kind of treading the same water again with this film in terms of the kind of the plot points and the beats and the family dynamic to a degree. [00:22:59] Speaker B: Well, and the antagonistic spirit or demon being, like, having, like, a personal vendetta against Lorraine and her daughter, you know, that's kind of valak over again. [00:23:13] Speaker A: Yeah. And of course, since Conjuring 2, we've also been like, anytime Ed's involved, it's always about his heart and always worries there's too much for him to take. There's a part that's not supposed to be funny, but I thought it was funny. I think in myself. There's a part where he wants to get his heart meds out of his little pendant. And it's the tiniest medicine I've ever seen in my life. And they all just fall to the ground. And it's. [00:23:42] Speaker B: He does the, like, Velma losing her glasses thing where he's just. [00:23:45] Speaker A: And eternally. I'm going, my pills. Yeah. Like, but it really. I think. Yeah. But ultimately, it's. It does say a lot that even though we're seeing another, like, third film in this franchise that is doing those same beats. It is still much more of an engaging narrative than three. [00:24:05] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, so that's. [00:24:07] Speaker A: I mean, it shows again, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. And there's a lot of that energy. [00:24:10] Speaker B: Yeah. There is a value when you have a good formula. There's a value to sticking to it, just as there can be a value to deviating. I just think, you know, with these kind of movies and the creatives they get involved and the, you know, probably the studio oversight involved, probably best to like, stick to what works. [00:24:34] Speaker A: Sure, yeah, absolutely. Especially if you're kind of in this weird spot of like, we have three Annabelle movies. We're done even trying to make more of those. We tried to make another nun movie. And while it probably did decently, it still wasn't enough to warrant enough for a third film if they wanted to do that. And then there's like little spin offs that didn't happen. Like, of course, at one point the Crooked man was in development. He's one of the monsters from two that didn't go anywhere. Actually. Now that Last Rites has happened, they'll probably just bring that from the fucking grave and try to make that. There's of course La Llorona being like this kind of this weird in between, like, can we pull people in? Even if it's not technically a warren's joint, it's like you're not gonna see any kind of tie besides like the side character from a shitty Annabelle movie. And, you know, it's. It makes sense that, you know, we. A lot of the. A lot of the spooky moments do feel like I've seen this before. But thankfully they do a good job of just twisting it enough in an interesting angle where it's like, you know what? Very similar to how two does this. But I like that twist. That's enough for me to really enjoy it on its own. And like, you know, there's great moments like the, the basement, the bloody basement. [00:25:58] Speaker B: Thing with Lorraine where it all like floods with blood. [00:26:02] Speaker A: Yeah. It kind of feels like the water kind of flooding basement situation. And two A little bit. [00:26:07] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah. [00:26:08] Speaker A: But more kind of like a dreamy kind of wild sequence since the rains, like, kind of senses are going haywire. There's like, you know, the family slowly trying to figure out when the ghost started to happen. There's a great scene with VHS and a VCR moment that I think is like, really well done. [00:26:28] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:26:29] Speaker A: And I honestly would say is like the best stuff. Like again, Shavs improves so much between three and four. I think a lot of that also has to do with the Nun 2 because a lot of what he does in the Nun 2 feels so much more. Yeah. Entertaining than one ever was. It has some, you know, creepier moments, but I will say my least favorite aspect and this could be a hot take. It's gonna keep happening. Uh oh, I don't think it's a hot take for Andy. I think that's one of the, one of the things we both said while walking out. There is too much Annabelle. There is too much Annabelle. [00:27:07] Speaker B: Here's the thing. I think the thing about Annabelle at this point, at least for us, is that kind of any Annabelle at this point in the franchise is too much Annabelle. Like she's had her day and then some and we don't need to keep bringing her back. Like, you know, you want to do the obligatory shot of her in the museum, then, okay, fine, but like, yeah, when she actually like shows up as a central set piece, I guess in. [00:27:39] Speaker A: This it's like, ah, God dammit, she has three movies. She is prominent in the first Conjuring film. Yeah, she has a little prominent moment in two in terms of just like, you know, little chuckle here and there on that. And she is, I mean it's. Listen, we're now at a point where we have gone from the first film being like, by the way, don't you know this is a Rackety Ann doll? Which makes it even funnier that not only does the Annabelle doll in the films look like it does. It also, I swear to God, gets bigger. That doll is getting bigger each movie and it looks hilarious. [00:28:19] Speaker B: And for those who've seen the movie, Logan's not just being silly about what happens in that scene. It's like Annabelle in her default state seems to be getting taller. [00:28:28] Speaker A: She does. And then they even to have a CGI giant Annabelle that it's like, listen, I understand that one of them, probably to a lot of fans, one of the most popular, if not iconic moments in that original Conjuring, because they even use it in a poster variant, is a scene where Judy is by herself in the house as a little girl and she's in the room and she sees the ghost that is haunting Annabelle holding the Annabelle doll while rocking in a rocking chair. It's a great moment. In the original film, it's a great moment. Keyword moment. Because pretty much every time after that, here's the thing, Judy doesn't have to be constantly reminded of that singular moment that happened in that film. But my God, not only is she constantly reminded in a conjuring film, there's an entire movie about her having friends over on a kooky sleepover night where Annabelle gets involved. There's a whole movie about Judy and Annabelle's relationship at this point. So why do we need to take time? Because it's so funny. Because when it happens in last rites, it almost has the answer of. Are you telling me that the Annabelle ghost is in the mirror? And the thing is. No, it's not that. It's just saying while the entity is there, the mirror entity is there watching Judy. It's gonna take a back seat for five minutes and let Annabelle have her moment with Judy before the mirror possesses Judy. And it's just this moment. Like, we have now gotten to the point where now we know you have that. Did you know that the real Annabelle was this Raggedy Ann doll to now being like. I think when the movie ended, your wife with Emma with. I can't stop thinking about how now Matt Rife owns, like. Owns that doll. Like. Yeah. That's how long. How much time has changed. Where now we have to have new Annabelle facts. [00:30:30] Speaker B: Right. [00:30:31] Speaker A: Right. She is. She has had a trilogy. A trilogy that Andy has said, we will not cover on this unless we're desperate. [00:30:40] Speaker B: Putting my foot down. [00:30:43] Speaker A: And I'm okay with that. [00:30:44] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:30:45] Speaker A: And it's just like when this moment happens in the movie, it's like. Yes. The introduction to it where it's a little girl that becomes like, almost gets up doll, like, marionette style is really well done. It just feels out of left field. It honestly feels like you cut that moment and you. The pacing gets a little bit better. Just enough. Just enough to get better. [00:31:05] Speaker B: Yeah. And you know. Oh, go ahead. [00:31:09] Speaker A: No, it just. She. It really is just like, hey, mirror ghost, you're doing a great job. You're scaring the shit out of this family. You can have Judy, but can I do my tight five first if I'm not gonna. If I'm not gonna see her again? It's the least I could do. And it's even after they already had a moment together where she shows up in her room. [00:31:30] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:31:30] Speaker A: And, you know, introduces the whole, like, you know, Polly has her pocket, like, lost her pocket kind of little mantra. She says to herself to kind of center herself to stop thinking about all the ghosts. And it's just. It's just let her rest. She's. She's done. She's done her job. [00:31:48] Speaker B: I guess I Guess this franchise views Annabelle as its. As its mascot. I mean, I think, you know, a lot of horror franchises want to have, like, that mascot monster, you know? [00:32:04] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:32:05] Speaker B: And, like, I get that. That's what that is for these movies, and that's. I think a lot of people think that. I don't. I don't know. I don't. I don't know enough of the general consensus on this movie to know if people were, like, razzed about or jazzed about Annabelle showing up or if everybody was rolling their eyes. [00:32:26] Speaker A: I mean, considering how much money this movie made over the weekend, I assume there's a decent percentage of people that are just, like, pan. Hooting a little bit. Just being like, oh, we're not done. [00:32:36] Speaker B: Yeah, there she is. [00:32:38] Speaker A: Well, finds a way to sneak in, even in Pittsburgh. [00:32:41] Speaker B: Well, and also, you know, I mean, I think a lot of this movie, like we've kind of already said, is about getting back to what people like about these movies, you know, and so with that comes going back to the. The monster doll that everybody knows and loves, which, yeah, for us is not. Not terribly thrilling. But no, you know, the positive of going back to basics is so we get a lot more focus on kind of Ed and Lorraine, which kind of felt watered down in the last movie. [00:33:14] Speaker A: Oh, my God. Yeah. I think it's like, the. The biggest improvement from 3 to 4 is the fact that, like, the movie is not afraid, since it's. Since it's already decided it's gonna take at least an hour, if not an hour and some change to get the Warrens involved with the family in Pittsburgh. It's safe to, like, have little moments with their family dynamic with Judy as an adult. And also. Which I think is one of the most interesting things that they don't show at all in the trailers, but I'm glad he's involved in. Which is Judy's boyfriend turned fiance. [00:33:52] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:33:53] Speaker A: Who is, like, you know, just a guy who literally is. He's not a skeptic. He literally just has no frame of reference other than I love your daughter and your daughter is attached to you two who does ghost things. [00:34:08] Speaker B: Tony, I think, is his name. [00:34:10] Speaker A: Yes. [00:34:12] Speaker B: Ben Hardy. [00:34:13] Speaker A: Yes, Ben Hardy. Who's not saying the man doesn't look young. He does look young, but he is in his early 30s, and I don't know if he's trying to play early 20s the same as Judy, but, like, it doesn't. It's. Doesn't work as well. But I think he's such a good actor. But, like, he really does a phenomenal job. [00:34:35] Speaker B: Little. He's given archangel nine years ago. Yeah, yeah, almost a decade ago. He was an X Men. [00:34:42] Speaker A: He was an archangel. He's also in the Academy Award winning Bohemian Rhapsody. [00:34:46] Speaker B: Oh, right, right. [00:34:47] Speaker A: So he's like, he's, he's. [00:34:48] Speaker B: I didn't recognize him without the curly hair. [00:34:51] Speaker A: Yes, he is. He has been around for a hot second and he's a good actor. And I'm glad that he's in a not archangel role where he only gets two lines and nothing to work with. There's. There's something here that I think adds to the dynamic really well of and Lorraine, you know, even without the context of the opening of the movie, which really implies the fact that, you know, Judy was a stillborn in the film and they had to basically like, you know, resuscitate her and she like, miraculously came back. And so that's why they've always been extra protective of her on top of the fact that she's their only child. [00:35:30] Speaker B: Emma turned to me during the baby resuscitation and goes, oh, no, it's Fantastic Four all over again. [00:35:40] Speaker A: Oh, my gosh. It was, it was, it was a great little dynamic, especially on the Ed side of things, because Ed as a dad has always been kind of sold as like the. The red meat, like, you know, red blooded American guy. [00:35:58] Speaker B: That traditional dad. [00:36:00] Speaker A: Yeah. And to have it be like, oh, wait, my only daughter is finally old enough to the point where she is going to. She's at the age where and like, Lorraine and I got married. It is like this kind of like really understanding and thinking about it. And I would even argue, like, because of like how well their dynamic is, especially with the new characters. It leads to a scene that I feel like, you know, is initially odd because of just like how it kind of pops out of nowhere, yet still works when everyone involved is doing their best, having some good comedic emotional moments. And that's the. The proposal. The ping pong scene turned into the proposal, will you marry me scene that is like, really well done. It's stuff that like, you know, like Andy has said, like, three was missing. And to really have this involved, it really is great that like this movie is saying, do you like these characters? Are you really enjoying their dynamic? Well, guess what? We're taking that dynamic and we're putting them with ghosts. And it's like, that's what. Honestly, it really does sell. Like, if for some reason Patrick Olson and Vera Farmiga wanted to do this for another 15 years and their goal was to just keep adding new people into the fold. [00:37:15] Speaker B: And then just almost more ping pong scenes. [00:37:18] Speaker A: Just more like. Almost like a Fast and furious. Like the team just keeps building up. [00:37:23] Speaker B: Dinner at the end. [00:37:24] Speaker A: Yeah. It's like they could probably sell it in a certain way. [00:37:28] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:37:28] Speaker A: And it's. It's very clear to that. Like, you know, they've always had that inkling that they could, you know, they could keep going if they wanted to. With every time they open the Warrens like museum, the amount of shit that's in there where it's like they could turn this into three or four. [00:37:44] Speaker B: All the shit from Africa and Asia. [00:37:47] Speaker A: It's like, it's just. [00:37:48] Speaker B: When are the Warrens over there? [00:37:50] Speaker A: Yeah, when it. When can I see Ed Warren have a samurai sword fight Nikita fight with a ghost? [00:37:57] Speaker B: Right, right. [00:37:58] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:37:58] Speaker B: Because Ed enters a ping pong tournament, ends up in China and they. They investigate a haunting there. [00:38:06] Speaker A: Yeah. And Lorraine's asleep the whole time. [00:38:09] Speaker B: This is before the heart problems, of course. [00:38:11] Speaker A: Yes, of course. This is be. This will be in the prequel film that apparently also could be involved. Which I will give. I will give credit. The prequel moment. The flashback scene. [00:38:21] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:38:22] Speaker A: Young Ed and Lorraine, very well done. Those two actors, like have to give. [00:38:26] Speaker B: Respect for not digitally de aging Patrick. [00:38:29] Speaker A: And honestly, I will be completely honest. If the trailer, like if the trailer was exactly the same as it is now, but they had D age Lorraine and Ed, I would have probably bowed out. I probably would have bowed out from opening weekend. Like, I would have just. I just. It just. It's so lazy in a way that is like you don't. The best way to handle that is you find actors that can just sell. [00:38:58] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:38:59] Speaker A: That they could be young Ed and Lorraine. And guess what crazy fucking notion they get. Actors that sell Ed and lorraine in their 20s. Yeah. [00:39:07] Speaker B: You know, they're not spitting images, but they nail. They get the vibe, the bravado of each character. Yeah. [00:39:15] Speaker A: Like the, like Lorraine. Young Lorraine acting. Yeah. Casting young Lorraine looks and sounds like Vera Farmiga in a way that I think is very well done. While young Ed initially, his speaking voice does sound like of course doesn't have the same gruff as Patrick Wilson. But when Ed is yelling and you see like in the right light with that chiseled jaw, almost like Patrick Wilson. He sells it well. And it's like, now do I think, let's say hypothetically there's a prequel film of the Warrens. Could they hold their own in a 90 minute, 120 minute film? I don't know. I Don't I necessarily. Like, the thing is, is, like, these films are so much tied to Farmiga and Wilson. [00:40:02] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:40:02] Speaker A: It would feel weird. [00:40:05] Speaker B: Like, it's so funny to part of the. [00:40:07] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:40:07] Speaker B: I mean, it's. It's not putting them in the same ballpark, but, like. [00:40:12] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:40:12] Speaker B: You know, it's. It's. Ed and Lorraine in these movies are gained so much of their power from Vera and Patrick. Not just their chemistry, but their individual presences. Yeah. You know that it's kind of like, you know, stuff like Young Indiana Jones or whatever. It's like you make a prequel story about Indiana Jones and you realize, oh, Harrison Ford was kind of. Was kind of most of it. [00:40:41] Speaker A: Yes. [00:40:41] Speaker B: Oh, you know, like, it's that kind of thing where, yeah, these characters have a lot of good moments that are given to them by the script and by the directors. But, you know, a lot of it still comes back to the fact that Farmiga and Wilson are just really, really fucking charming. [00:40:58] Speaker A: Yeah. And it's also funny just to bring this up because, you know, we've actually had this conversation a little bit before, actually, probably after we watched Conjuring 3 when we talked about the Insidious movies, because that's also a series that is, like, really tied to Patrick Wilson and his family and. And is another series that, you know, Blumhouse is trying to push as, like, can the Insidious films live on without that family dynamic? And it's like, I don't think so. And it's not saying that. Yeah, like, with that series, like, both series, it's not that they couldn't find talent to fill those gaps. It's just it. We have seen time and time again, it is hard for series, even if they have the talent behind it, to sometimes keep investment from fans when you nearly have next to nothing connected to, like, the previous movie or, like, a side story that's not even really connected at all. Like, it's like the Conjuring has gotten away with that really wildly in a way that I, like, cannot believe it has. But it is the question of, like, how far can it go? Yeah, I mean, it's. There's. It's a funny thing about this movie is that it. There is. You know, there could be clearly be a lot more to talk about, but overall, it's just. If you like the Conjuring movies, this is more Conjuring. This is just, like, in all honesty, like, I think it's a solid, like, three and a half out of five for me. [00:42:26] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:42:26] Speaker A: And I think, you know, Even though it's a solid, you know, I had a really good time, I think it's still in the. In the Conjuring universe. A strong finale for the Warrens, especially with how the film kind of ends. It gives them, like, this kind of very much the. With their. The ending that they always have constantly talked about they were never going to get right. As if we couldn't just, you know, we all had to go home and pretend not to Google what kind of life I had afterwards. And it is kind of like going into this. I think we were. I. We even made a joke before we saw the movie because we have a. We have a group chat with all of our friends and we had some friends who saw it earlier than usual and they gave it a 10 out of 10. One of our friends gave it a 10 out of 10. And she was just absolutely saying, like, gosh, it just. I could watch these movies for the rest of my life. I just never stopped making them. [00:43:21] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:43:23] Speaker A: And we're just like, oh, man, we're hoping. We're just like, if it's a 7 out of 10, we'll be thrilled. [00:43:30] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:43:30] Speaker A: And listen, I think it's a 7 out of 10. I was. I was pretty surprised by how much fun I was having despite, you know, some of its flaws. [00:43:41] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:43:41] Speaker B: I mean, I think, like, I think maybe if Three didn't happen, if the devil. If this was the third, if the. [00:43:51] Speaker A: Devil didn't make them do it, if. [00:43:52] Speaker B: The devil didn't make them do it, and if this. If the Last Rites Were, was the third main Warren entry, you know, maybe it wouldn't feel as, I don't know, satisfying or whatever, I think because it is playing on a lot of the same notes of 1 and 2. But, you know, the fact that, like, the fact that we kind of thought maybe the last. The previous one was going to be the last one, and it was such a misfire and, you know, the fact that this one not only goes back to the well and plays the same beats, but also, like, finds some genuinely fun new material to take these characters into. And, you know, I think adding Judy and her fiance as, like, actual main characters with Ed and Lorraine is a fun dynamic. Yeah, you know, it is. I actually quite liked Tony quite a bit. Like, he was a fun. I guess you could call him, like, audience vessel or audience, you know, lens or whatever, because he's not really involved in it. But, like, it's fun to have somebody who's on the team but doesn't really know what's Going on. [00:45:16] Speaker A: Oh, there was. It was a breath of fresh air almost because like one has. He comes back and he comes back in last rites as a little moment. There's a guy, they have like this big tall blonde guy that kind of looks like David Harbour. [00:45:30] Speaker B: Oh yeah. [00:45:31] Speaker A: He shows up in the original Conjuring, is like a skeptic and then gets attacked by one of us. A ghost. [00:45:37] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:45:38] Speaker A: While at the original house. And you know, we're used to having like skeptics or people that are like, you know, probably younger generation. Like there's a. I believe his name is Drew. There's a. There's a guy that's been with them since the very beginning who doesn't show up at the house when they go and fight the ghost. But like is in the. The table tennis, like ping pong scene. [00:45:58] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:45:59] Speaker A: And he's also in the. The wedding, which you know, is probably the most like glup shito. [00:46:06] Speaker B: Like Avengers End game. [00:46:07] Speaker A: Yeah. Because every single family in some way, shape or form is represented from the other films. And I think including Devil made me do it. [00:46:14] Speaker B: And I could be wrong. But doesn't the actress for Valak show up? Probably not as Valak, but like just. [00:46:23] Speaker A: As a person attending a. I just couldn't get over. And I get. I love it. There's nothing wrong with this because I love the man. I just love how James Wan was so prominent in like the show in the aisle. Like, he sticks out like a sore thumb in the best way. But I'm glad that like they're like letting him show up in his own franchise that he built. And it's, you know, it's. It really. It comes together in a way that is like, you know. Yeah, it definitely. If this was the third film in a trilogy, this would be probably stronger. But it is kind of like how now we have to. When we talk about the Conjuring series, we talk about there's the first film, it goes down a little bit in terms of quality, in our opinion. And then there's a fucking Valley. And then it just comes back up a little. And then it comes back up to last. Right. So it's like there's this gap. [00:47:14] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:47:14] Speaker A: Hey, just don't watch three. [00:47:16] Speaker B: It would be like a nice tight little solid trilogy if it was just one, two and then this. [00:47:23] Speaker A: Because I Even in the wedding. [00:47:25] Speaker B: But I do think the dog shittery of Devil made me do it. Does kind of make this one sing a little bit more. [00:47:33] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean there's. That's the blessing and the curse of having, like, the worst entry in a franchise in the middle. Because, again, I was. I completely. Because when I was watching the. The wedding scene, I was like, God, what. What could they even pull for? Devil made me do it. Like, I'm just. And then I saw the little blonde kid with glasses who's in the Haunting of Hill House, who's now like a teenager. Because, of course, haunting the Hill House was a. I guess, 30 years ago. Because that kid's so much bigger than what I remember him being. I was like, why is he. He's on the waterbed scene. It's like the only scene from Devil made me do that I remember. There's, like, the waterbed. Yeah, he's in that scene. He's like, in that family and the hookah. So, like, it's. It's like, okay, so even three. You know, I will give a movie props, even though I don't necessarily need the film to remind me that there was a third film in this four film friend. Like, four film franchise to a degree. Like the four film conjuring. [00:48:27] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:48:28] Speaker A: Wise. I will give it props that if there's some people out there that, like, Devil made me do it, they can at least have their own. Like, whoa, Jack. Oh, I remember that kid. And it's like, you know, all the fanboys, whatever. [00:48:40] Speaker B: The conjuring, the Devil. [00:48:43] Speaker A: Yeah. Like, it just. There is. There is. I think, compared to three, there's a confidence here that I appreciate, and I'm glad that the confidence is, you know, is warranted. And I think definitely Warren Tid there, it is not intentional. But of course, now I have to think about that. [00:49:04] Speaker B: Think about what you've done. [00:49:05] Speaker A: Think about if that ever happens again. [00:49:07] Speaker B: You're gonna catch me on. Think about who made you do it. [00:49:10] Speaker A: Oh, my gosh. It was Ed. Ed made me do it. We were. We were making a joke and again in our friend group about. Well, I made a joke because Emma. Emma likes Lorraine's grandma clothes. [00:49:22] Speaker B: Oh. [00:49:23] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:49:23] Speaker A: And I jokingly say, like, I think those look. They look silly. I don't. I. I'm not surprised you like those that you did. She just came at me like, what do you mean by that? I'm like, listen, Vera Farmiga pulls off the grandma look incredibly well in this. [00:49:40] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:49:40] Speaker B: She's got the presence for it. [00:49:41] Speaker A: But I think it's even funnier. Yeah, it's even funnier that I don't think the series ever really justifies why she dresses like that. Even in the 80s when compared to Ed, who Has, like, the tightest shirts possible. [00:49:57] Speaker B: He's a man of the time. [00:49:58] Speaker A: He really is. [00:50:00] Speaker B: Dresses, however, you know, the ideal man of that time dresses like that's what he's wearing. Which is just hilarious that she is stuck in 1892. He is the modern House of the Prairie, the modern man of the 60s or 70s or 80s. [00:50:16] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm trying to think of other things. The mirror scene is good. Sorry, The. The. The bridal dress. [00:50:26] Speaker B: Oh, the mirror room. [00:50:29] Speaker A: So good. Very well done. That was honestly, you know, that was one of the only scenes in the original trailer. I was like, God, I think you might have gotten me with that. I think that's really cool. That's a fun idea. [00:50:39] Speaker B: Yeah, I wish. A scene that I really liked as it was, but I think they could have milked it for a stronger, like, horror effect. Was the delivery scene at the beginning, like, the. Oh, yeah, Judy's birth. You've got young Lorraine on the. On the hospital bed, you know, full bore, trying to birth this baby in an incredibly vulnerable position. And here comes Mr. Demon man crawling down the ceiling at her. And you're like, so good. Shit. [00:51:22] Speaker A: So good. [00:51:23] Speaker B: You know, I mean, sometimes those are the. Those are the best horror scenes, are where the main character is just impossibly vulnerable. Could not imagine. [00:51:33] Speaker A: And I will give it props to, like, I think with the fact that, you know, with, you know, Conjuring 2, as well as with the first 200 films in general, like, clearly there is this energy of, like, they are building the version of, you know, the haunted doll Annabelle, how they wanted, like Andy says, almost like a mascot, but also, like, you know, as, like, could we build its own series of films off of this as well as, like, in Conjuring to the. The design of the nun, even though, of course, a nun looks like a nun, but the design in the face, the design and the execution, like, clearly in those moments, like, there's there's a. There's clearly a lot of conversation about designing this character and a performance that, like, could this stay on its own? And I'm glad that the mirror deity, the mirror demon, they don't ever give it a name. It is amalgamous. It has a form, but it's basically a silhouette. [00:52:32] Speaker B: Yeah, it has a form that we never really see. We get like, a glimpse of in that delivery scene. But in all other scenes that it's appearing, it's really appearing as other things. [00:52:43] Speaker A: Yeah. Because it goes from the majority of the film, it takes over the visages, the visage of this family. That had a tragedy on this land like a century ago that involved like, you know, a husband killing his wife due to infidelity as well as his mother in law. And these are the three ghosts that are constantly fall. And then like the last time you see the demon, it is taking on the, the. The look of the Warrens with like vampire teeth, like monster teeth, which is. [00:53:16] Speaker B: Probably the hokiest form. [00:53:17] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. And you know what? I'll take it. But it is, it is interesting to like, you know, have a series that now is 10 films in with this movie. And you wouldn't. It would not be surprising, I think, if we both were like, I see how this, like if we. Solid design, if it had more of a prominence of showing what it looked like and almost having like this wink edge, like wink nudge. Do you want. Where did this mirror come from? Would you like more? And it's like, no, they. They know that the mirror and its significance, they have tied it solely to the Warrens in their early years. And as their final case, it has its strongest emotional tie with the Warrens. And if this is gonna be the final fight with the Warrens. It's gonna be the final fight with the Warrens. [00:54:04] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:54:04] Speaker A: And they, they take it out. I mean, but I say that that mirror does not let up. That mirror fucking goes for it. [00:54:11] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:54:12] Speaker A: I mean, there's some great moments. That mirror takes out legs like nobody's business. And I. I couldn't believe. [00:54:19] Speaker B: Shreds a leg. [00:54:20] Speaker A: Yeah. I could not believe how if you would have told me in the script it says, and then the haunted mirror finds a way to choke Tony to near death. I would have been like, that is so fucking stupid. How do you make that work? And then I'm watching the movie being like, that's a heavy ass, intimidating mirror. They found a way to make it kind of like be. Even though I know Tony's not gonna die. [00:54:45] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:54:45] Speaker A: But like it is still like they're making this mirror a weapon. And I was not expecting it to be like flying and floating and like going against. Going against the Warrens. And there's. Yeah, it's just. It's a fun time. It's. It is a nice surprise to go into a conjuring movie after nine films, including the third conjuring film. That kind of felt like it was. It's just there. [00:55:12] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:55:13] Speaker A: And to just be like, oh my God, if this is the last one in the franchise, this is a good place to end it. And I applaud them for ending it. There. Wait, hold on. I'm just getting news. This movie did so well. Not only is there a prequel is a possibility. There's also a television series that'll be an HBO Max original. [00:55:35] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:55:36] Speaker A: Yeah. Cuz in case you don't know because you've been under a rock for the last few months, Max has been bullied back into HBO Max. So it will be an HBO Max original. And it. Well, I can't be surprised. Like, genuinely, I think both of us. I think there was probably is a.01% probably in either one of us that is like, if this makes enough money, what could they. [00:56:02] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:56:03] Speaker A: And I think there's a part of this, like, I guess technically, but what would you fucking do? And of course, what they do is what you. What we were kind of. It is, you know, prequel in a television series that we. It could be the same thing. It could be a prequel television series. It could just be a television series that is its own thing as well as a prequel project that is its own thing. We don't know yet. Literally, it hasn't even been. As we're recording this, it hasn't even been a week since the movie has been out in theaters. So, like, we'll find out more. But it's. I mean, with Peter Safran involved as executive producer, as well as Juan Saffron, in case you don't know, is also helping James Gunn with the DC films and also is, you know, having a run right now with the Peacemaker, season two. That's out right now. Like, Safran's on a roll with projects that are doing very well in a. Very popular at the moment. So. And one just being one, like the man literally is just. He. He has like. It's like his third film maybe this year. He helped produce. [00:57:05] Speaker B: Yeah, he's a really, really active producer. [00:57:07] Speaker A: Yeah. Cause I think this year, actually our first prequel of the year was produced by Juan, I believe, which is Wolfman. And then he's got this. And I believe he's also helping with Mortal Kombat 2 as a producer. So he's putting his name in a lot of different kind of pots and hopefully making malignant 2. Because fuck Warner Brothers, right? A film that made no money. Let's make that sequel. No, he does definitely have something else in the chamber right now, but it is. [00:57:40] Speaker B: He's producing the new. The Next Insidious. [00:57:43] Speaker A: Yeah, because I think they already have a director picked for that. [00:57:47] Speaker B: He also produced the Monkey. [00:57:50] Speaker A: There we go. [00:57:51] Speaker B: And Megan 2.0. [00:57:53] Speaker A: That makes sense. Yeah. So he's got. Yeah, he's got plenty of films that he's involved in and ultimately Last Rites, if you are a Conjuring fan, is a good time. It's a good time. And if for some reason you were kind of apprehensive to see it this weekend, there's no reason to be. I think it's pretty much more of the same now. If you're expecting Devil Made Me Do It Part two, for some reason, you're definitely not going to get that. But ultimately, if you, if you're one of those people that constantly, you know, talks about what you love about that original Conjuring film and are kind of like in our boat of like, you know, kind of always going back to that original as like what the template should be if they keep making these movies, which we. It is something that is like, you know, last rights basically goes, yep, we heard that and we're going to do that and just have some fun. And I think ultimately not even go as crazy as to. To its own benefit. [00:58:51] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:58:52] Speaker A: But yeah, that's the conjuring last rites. Any final thoughts, Andy? Any Patrick Wilson takes. You want to take his wardrobe, which. [00:59:00] Speaker B: I understand want to steal his look. [00:59:03] Speaker A: You can have his Ed Warren look. I want his Ocean Master look. [00:59:07] Speaker B: Go for it. [00:59:08] Speaker A: Hey, I want both films. I want his scraggly. His scraggly look. [00:59:13] Speaker B: Take his, take his stride to his sprinting stride in Aquaman 2. [00:59:18] Speaker A: Did I. I don't think I told you because I, I think I didn't have this thought until I was watching Last rite. Because it's also funny because the man has basically played this character adjacent before you would ever play this. But Patrick Wilson as Batman would be such a fun time. [00:59:34] Speaker C: Mm. [00:59:35] Speaker A: Yeah, that, that like especially at even. And they were like, what Logan, he's like in his 50s now and it's like. Yeah, but it'd be kind of be fun if they're not gonna like. I know people are bullying gun to bring Pattinson into the dcu like it proper. But like, but like if you like, if we're really gonna do like an older Batman versus a younger Superman, like dynamic wise, like a Batman in his 50s who's been doing this for like 20 or so years would be kind of fucking rad. Yeah, well, and Wilson just. This is the series that shows like this man just picked up a guitar and played a little song and it's like one of the best parts of this movie. Or like in Last Rites he makes pancakes and has a fun little gag where he goes, no, sometimes it's waffles. When Tony Acid is always like this. [01:00:21] Speaker B: Well, yeah, he's somebody who can embody that, like, grit and the camp kind of all in one swing. So, like, he'd be a really good. Not trying to pigeonhole him, but like, you know, sort of Keaton esque Batman where it's like a little silly, a little dark, you know, he's over serious, but fun. [01:00:45] Speaker A: I still stand by that, even though I've not seen the second film. And that first film is rough in a lot of places. I think his performance as Ocean Master is the only performance that is aware of what kind of movie he is in. [01:00:58] Speaker B: Think it's like everyone else definitely keeps up in the sequel. [01:01:01] Speaker A: Yeah. Okay. I mean, the clips I've seen of the sequel, it's like Wilson is just. He just has like, in that first Aquaman movie, there's this energy where everyone is getting, like, not trying to get completely different things out of the movie, but clearly what momoa's trying to do is different from Heard and, you know, but like, it's almost like Wilson working with Juan for as long as he has is like, come on set, looks at the suit, looks in the mirror, and goes like, chew every piece of scenery I can. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And just flying colors. Flying colors on the performance. [01:01:36] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:01:36] Speaker A: And it's. I'm. I'm at least glad that Even though Aquaman 2 just kind of was like, you know, came and went, because why the fuck would you want to watch an Aquaman 2 in a world that Aquaman's not gonna exist anymore? I'm glad at least they knew that, you know, they needed him back. Because at least it would be a lot of fun just to have. Just to have Patrick Wilson play a character called Ocean Master and just know what he's doing. It was funny too, because while we were watching Last Rites, I internally was also like, yeah, why aren't. Like, why isn't Vera Formiga? Then I went, she's in Hawkeye. That's right. She's in. She's in the 10/ MCU shows that are like, Vera Formiga so good. Yeah, she's Kate Bishop's mom. She's Kid Bishop's mom. She worked with the Kingpin. [01:02:24] Speaker B: Where was. Where was Patrick Wilson's Marvel phone call to play some character's dad or uncle or brother? [01:02:33] Speaker A: I don't know if anything. [01:02:35] Speaker B: Or a nameless SHIELD Agent if we can't. [01:02:38] Speaker A: If he can't play Batman, at least if we do like a Justice Society of America. Make it be Catman. Make it be somebody that's, like, from the golden age. That would be. Just. Would be delightful. [01:02:49] Speaker B: I think. I think when he was younger, he would have been a good, like, Booster Gold. [01:02:52] Speaker A: Oh, my God. Yes. His Booster Gold. My lord, Wilson is just. We love Wilson here on this podcast. [01:03:01] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:03:02] Speaker B: I kind of perpetually want more Wilson because he's like. I don't know. Doesn't feel like he's does that much these days, which, like, he doesn't have to. [01:03:12] Speaker A: Yeah, he's. He's the embodiment of Ed Warren until this movie come out. [01:03:16] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:03:17] Speaker A: Like, he's. He's been the one that everyone goes, oh, my God, it's Conjuring Insidious Man. He just, like, thumbs up. He's like, yeah. No. Yeah. I don't know what else he's doing right now. [01:03:27] Speaker B: Oh, he's. He's gonna be in J. Kelly, the upcoming George Clooney film that's gotten rave. [01:03:32] Speaker A: Oh, that's right. [01:03:33] Speaker B: I didn't know he was in that. [01:03:35] Speaker A: He. He's a funny guy, so I'm hoping he does a good job in that. Yeah. Vera Farmiga. I don't. Again, Vera Farmiga is one of those actresses that, like, you know, pops in and out whenever she wants to. Works a lot more than her sister, which I also think she's very talented. And she was. She was the not evil nun. Both nun films. Yeah, the. The standout nun who's not evil in the nun films. But yeah, that's the. That's the conjuring last rites. And it's our final episode of September and going into October, hilariously, we did our spooky episode in September and in October, we're gonna do something that is. It's not ghosts, it's not goblins, it's not demons. We're taking on a monster who is cleaning up crime in Tromaville, New Jersey. The first ever superhero in New Jersey. That's right. As our first episode in October, in honor of Macon Blair's remake of the Toxic Avenger. After two years of distribution hell and like, you know, a decade plus of just production hell, just trying to even get it off the ground, we finally have a remake to a series that is about New Jersey's first ever superhero, produced and created by Troma, an iconic B movie schlock shock value company out of the East Coast. And in classic odd trilogies fashion, we are not talking about the original Toxic Avenger. We are talking about its three sequels. Because in case you didn't know. It is not just a singular film out of 1984. That is a cult classic. You know, part of so many people's including minds. B movie, Mount Rushmore. What do you talk about? B movies. And so bad. It's good. It is a franchise. And if not anything, it is the poster child for Troma in so many ways. And with help from our friend Austin Butler. Who? Austin Butler. Wow. My fucking brain. Austin Webster. Sorry. Austin Butler's too busy with Caught Stealing. Currently in theaters as we record this. But no. Chris Pratt, LEGO aficionado, lover of animated films. Austin Webster back on the pod talking about the Toxic Avenger sequels, which include the Toxic Avenger Part 2, the Toxic Avenger Part 3, the Last Temptation of Toxi and Citizen Toxi. The Toxic Avenger 4. Yeah, I already fucked up on the Austin part. So at least I have to try to make sure I get that going. [01:06:22] Speaker B: And notably Austin and I both on our, our virginal Toxic Journeys. [01:06:27] Speaker A: Oh my God. Yeah. That is. I. I was the one that suggested this in like maybe a year or two ago because, you know, the original Toxic Avenger is, you know, kind of monumental to me because it was a film growing up that I shouldn't have seen as young as I did. That taught me that films could do more than what I was told they could never do. [01:06:50] Speaker B: Right. [01:06:50] Speaker A: And in a lot of different ways. And you know, that was like a late night cable classic that I could not believe you could put on television at a certain point. I have seen the original and the second film, but I have not seen 3 and 4. So there are definitely going to be some interesting conversations surrounding the series because we are all kind of going in blind at a certain point. But yeah, tune in on October 4th when we discuss the Toxic Avengers sequels with Austin Webster. But as always, I'm Logan Sowash. [01:07:22] Speaker B: And I'm Andy Carr. [01:07:24] Speaker A: Thank you so much for listening. Bye.