Episode 135: The Cinderella Trilogy (with Kelsey Atwood)

[00:00:19] Speaker A: Here it comes. Every time. [00:00:21] Speaker B: Every time. [00:00:23] Speaker A: So while we were watching all three of these movies, I was thinking that I couldn't let it. I couldn't let this idea go because I thought it'd be fun to talk about if the. 2015. Or is it 2016. The remake. [00:00:33] Speaker C: 2015. [00:00:34] Speaker A: 2015. If the remake had talking mice. Who would play Jacques in Gus? What was. What's his full name again? What's Gus's full name? [00:00:46] Speaker B: We'll talk about Octavius. Octavius. Gus Short classic for. [00:00:51] Speaker A: Short for Octavius. But this is like 2015 because we have Lily James as Cinderella. [00:00:56] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:00:57] Speaker A: Richard Mat. By the way, we're not talking about this fucking. We didn't watch this film for this trilogy. [00:01:01] Speaker B: No. [00:01:01] Speaker C: Yeah, we didn't watch this one. [00:01:02] Speaker A: This is just something that is just, you know, there was a remake in 2015, directed by Kenneth Branagh, who has way too many films under his belt. We actually just talked about him last month. Yeah, but it's like Richard Madden from Game of Thrones. Lily James. Yeah. Robb Stark. Gosh, I'm blaking Cate Blanchett. Those are like the three main ones. Who would be. I mean. Yeah, it's like, I'm trying to think of, like, thinking especially with how they cast Lion King later on or like Little Mermaid. [00:01:33] Speaker B: I feel like my answer changes depending on, like, are we doing straight voices or are they pitched up, like, in the 50s? [00:01:39] Speaker A: Well, they can be gay voices. I feel like. All right, all right. That was like a 4 out of 10 joke, but I got you. [00:01:48] Speaker B: If they're being pitched up. [00:01:50] Speaker A: Yes. [00:01:52] Speaker B: It could really be anybody. And it might be funnier or better casting if they're less expected. But if you're going, you know, straightforward, you know, unaltered voices, then I don't know. Was Josh Gad doing stuff in 2015? [00:02:07] Speaker A: Oh, frozen was 13. [00:02:08] Speaker B: Yeah. Okay. [00:02:09] Speaker C: Yeah. Frozen was. [00:02:10] Speaker B: Josh Gad is a. Is a shoe in for a mouse. [00:02:13] Speaker A: He was also. He was in. [00:02:15] Speaker B: He was in one of the other. [00:02:16] Speaker A: Beauty and the Beast. [00:02:16] Speaker B: Beauty and the Beast, Yeah. [00:02:18] Speaker A: Lefou. [00:02:19] Speaker C: He was lefou. [00:02:19] Speaker B: Yeah, that's right. [00:02:20] Speaker A: Gay lefou. I think they made such a big deal about him being gay in that film. At one point, he dresses with someone that cross dresses and goes, all right. And that's it. That's all. That's all the film does. [00:02:30] Speaker C: I mean, I was going to say Danny DeVito would be a good option for Gus. [00:02:33] Speaker B: He's a Gus. [00:02:34] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:02:34] Speaker A: Honestly, Danny DeVito in that or in A Hunchback. In Notre Dame. Like the gargoyles. [00:02:40] Speaker C: Yeah. Well, they. He plays philotides in the 97 Hercules movie. [00:02:46] Speaker A: Yes. [00:02:47] Speaker C: So he lends his voice. He also sings in that movie. [00:02:51] Speaker B: God, they're still for the main mouse, the leader mouse. I don't know. Jacques J. Barucho. [00:03:02] Speaker A: Yeah. Cause you like. Cause now, post Moana, especially post Hamilton, it was basically indulging all of Lynn's [00:03:09] Speaker B: friends to be in one of those [00:03:10] Speaker A: films because, like, Little Mermaid is Daveed as Sebastian. Moana has practically everybody. Hamilton that you can think of. [00:03:19] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:03:19] Speaker A: Josh Gad. Josh Gad. Honestly, it's the worst thing because it's like, of course they put him as Gus. [00:03:24] Speaker B: Right. [00:03:25] Speaker C: Right. [00:03:25] Speaker B: He's got to be the fat mouse. [00:03:27] Speaker A: Maybe put Andrew Rannells so you can have the Book of Mormon kind of collaboration. He could probably do a fake French accent. [00:03:33] Speaker B: True. [00:03:33] Speaker A: It's not like. [00:03:35] Speaker B: Like, Jacques doesn't really even do that in the animated films. [00:03:39] Speaker A: No, honestly, they. They speak. They speak practically Creole in the first film. They basically do not speak English, really. In the first film. [00:03:47] Speaker C: They. And, like, you know, gestures. [00:03:50] Speaker B: Generally, they get more English as the films go on. [00:03:54] Speaker C: They do. Well, although, I don't know the third one, they kind of have to do that whole little song and dance to get the prince to know what's going on. And also, the birds can't talk. [00:04:05] Speaker B: Right. [00:04:05] Speaker A: It's just very interesting to me. [00:04:07] Speaker C: The mice can talk, but the birds. [00:04:10] Speaker B: Yeah. What is the. What do they want us to take away about birds from these films? Yeah. [00:04:14] Speaker C: They're just mindless drones, I guess. [00:04:16] Speaker B: Yeah. Maybe they're not real. [00:04:19] Speaker A: Well, you know, if this movie, if the remake was made post Beauty and the Beast, they probably would have added a song to try to get an Oscar nomination, and it would have to be either with the mice or the birds. You'd have to have one of them sing because. Do you want the evil stepmother to sing a song? [00:04:37] Speaker C: I mean, Lily James sings at least the like a dream is a wish your heart makes. Because that's the version that my princess company used for our Christmas ball every year. Because it's a lot faster. [00:04:51] Speaker B: Sure. [00:04:52] Speaker A: I actually didn't know they sang at all in that film. [00:04:55] Speaker C: I honestly can't remember if there are, like, any other songs, because I don't think that Helena Bodom Carter sings in that song at all. [00:05:02] Speaker B: That's right. [00:05:02] Speaker C: I mean, she obviously has to sing Bibbidi Bobby Boo, but that's, like, not actual singing. Although she was in Sweeney Todd. She is and was very good in that. In My opinion. So she's. She can sing, so I don't know actually, I would have to look. It's been a minute since I've seen that movie though. [00:05:18] Speaker A: This one. Of all the Disney remakes, that might be one of the only ones I haven't seen. [00:05:23] Speaker C: Really? That one is one of my favorite ones, actually. [00:05:25] Speaker A: I've heard so too. [00:05:26] Speaker C: I'm not a big fan of Beauty and the Beast. I don't really love Snow White, Kelsey. [00:05:31] Speaker A: She makes the first ever washing machine in Beauty and the Beast. What makes you say it's not good, right? [00:05:37] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. Emma Watson just has no charisma in [00:05:41] Speaker A: that movie at all. How dare you, with a beast like that? How couldn't you? [00:05:45] Speaker B: Kelsey, you strike me as more of a beastly fan. [00:05:49] Speaker C: Yeah, with Vanessa Hudgens. Yes, I do like that movie, actually. Although he's like more. He's not like a hairy beast. He's just kind of like. He's just kind of weird looking. [00:06:02] Speaker A: Doesn't Mary Kate turn? Isn't Mary Kate Olsen? Or is it Ashley Olsen that turns him into a fucked up freak and beastly? It's one of the twins. [00:06:11] Speaker C: I don't remember which one it is. [00:06:12] Speaker A: We're going. We're going too far down. [00:06:14] Speaker C: We're getting way in the week. [00:06:15] Speaker B: Don't make me pull up the Wikipedia page. [00:06:17] Speaker A: Oh my God, he's pulling up the Wikipedia page. Hello everyone. Welcome to Haunt Trilogies with Logan and Andy. I'm Logan so Awash. [00:06:23] Speaker B: And I'm Andy Carr. [00:06:24] Speaker A: And on odd trilogies, we take a trio of films where they're tied by cast and crew thematic elements or just numerical order, and we discuss the good, the bad and the weird surrounding them. And today for our final trilogy for September, it is a request made as a bit of a bridal present, one that we initially threw your way, I think months ago, thinking, you know, you could always put it in your back pocket whenever you wanted to use it. And guess what? You wanted to use it nearly two months after the wedding. And you know what? We love it nonetheless. And that present today is a present for us because we're now talking about a nice surprise. The Cinderella trilogy. One of those kind of surprising classic Disney properties that in fact does have a trilogy of Films starting with 1950s Cinderella 2002. Cinderella 2, dreams come true. [00:07:19] Speaker B: Okay. [00:07:20] Speaker A: And then 2007. [00:07:21] Speaker B: Yep. [00:07:22] Speaker A: Cinderella 3. A twist in time. [00:07:24] Speaker C: Yes. [00:07:24] Speaker A: And of course we can't do this alone now, can we, Andy? [00:07:27] Speaker B: No. We are joined by and doing this specifically for and because of the wonderful Kelsey Atwood. Newly Kelsey Atwood. The last time you heard her on this podcast was when she and our friend Sabrina took over the show for the Fairytopia trilogy. [00:07:47] Speaker C: Yes, that was us. I was Kelsey Burks. [00:07:50] Speaker A: That's right, you were. [00:07:51] Speaker B: Yes. Cinderella. You've transformed into new identity completely. Yeah, yeah. [00:07:57] Speaker A: It's crazy. Kelsey told us, I think months ago when they did Fairytopia, they're like, oh, we want to talk about a new trilogy. And then we went into a room and I think a rag went over my face and your face as well. And then we woke up and then there was just a new episode on my laptop. [00:08:09] Speaker B: That's crazy. [00:08:10] Speaker A: And I just edited it. But yeah, in terms of Disney, I mean, we would know a good reason as to why this trilogy means so much to you. But like, in terms of the. To the audience, why the Cinderella trilogy over other Disney trilogies? Because we have done. We've done Aladdin. [00:08:29] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:08:29] Speaker C: Yes. [00:08:30] Speaker A: We haven't done. We haven't done Lion King yet. That's right. [00:08:34] Speaker C: You did Cars. [00:08:35] Speaker A: We did Cars. We did Cars. We'll probably do Incredibles at some point. Toy Story is now at 5, and we'll probably have a 6 in the next decade. [00:08:44] Speaker B: So the late stage Toy Story trilogy, [00:08:47] Speaker A: there's plenty to talk about there, I guess. But, yeah, tell us why the Cinderella trilogy of all trilogy? [00:08:53] Speaker C: Yeah, I mean, well, you know, there's no point in denying it. I come from family of Disney adults, so that is definitely part of it. But I used to. I don't really anymore. I've kind of aged. I'm old now, but I. Back in the day, in the good old day, used to. I worked for a local company, not Disney itself. To be clear. I worked for a princess company, and Cinderella was one of the characters that I played. And we were like a. A princess party company. So, like, kids birthday parties, like, events we would perform at, like, the fair occasionally. They do like a ticketed Christmas ball every year. So I am very familiar with this character in the movies because they, you know, you have to watch all of the movies and know everything about everybody because ever since, I mean, I don't even know when it happened, but, like, ever since the Disney princess franchise existed and they kind of pulled them out of the pink void that they existed in and made all of them know each other. Especially after wreck it Ralph 2. [00:09:56] Speaker B: Right. [00:09:56] Speaker C: All of the characters. Yeah. Everybody has to know everybody. So even if I didn't play Cinderella, which I did a lot, I would still have to know basically everything about Her. [00:10:07] Speaker B: Sure. [00:10:07] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:10:08] Speaker B: Because you have to basically live in the character and be that. Like. I mean, to the kids, you are that character. [00:10:14] Speaker C: Yeah. So, I mean. And also, I think that Cinderella is the only Disney princess who has, like, a full, true trilogy of movies. I think that maybe Ariel does as well, because there's the Little Mermaid, The Little Mermaid 2, return to the Sea. And then I believe there is another Little Mermaid film that is called Ariel's Beginning. [00:10:35] Speaker A: I was just thinking that because. [00:10:37] Speaker C: But it's like a prequel to that [00:10:40] Speaker A: because I think Beauty and the Beast technically is a trilogy because it has the Christmas film. [00:10:45] Speaker C: I don't know if it has a third movie. [00:10:47] Speaker A: Does it not have a third film? [00:10:47] Speaker C: I don't think so. There's just the Christmas adventure one or whatever it's called. Like, Belle's Christmas Adventure. Yeah. [00:10:55] Speaker B: Gosh. [00:10:55] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:10:55] Speaker A: Because the thing about Cinderella is the fact that. Yeah. Like you said, when the princess brand became more of a franchise for the demographic, that Disney was like, shit. We're not really tapping into our female audience, especially our young female audience. [00:11:08] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:11:09] Speaker A: When it came to the Disney princess, or at least in my head, it's, you know, all pink and Cinderella is right dab in the middle, almost as if, as the leader of all. [00:11:19] Speaker C: Well, because, I mean, they. [00:11:21] Speaker B: I mean, her castle is the Disney castle. [00:11:23] Speaker C: Yeah. It's the one at Walt Disney World. She also, like her. And the songs from Pinocchio, the two, I would argue, are like the quintessential Disney song. It's a Dream Is a Wish youh Heart Makes. And then, you know, the. Like, I forget which one is that is from Pinocchio. [00:11:37] Speaker A: But when you Wish Upon a Star. [00:11:38] Speaker C: Yeah, when youn Wish Upon a Star, I would say that those two are like, the quintessential Disney songs. And, like, even when I first got hired for the company that I used to work for, like, the people who owned it, they were like, when Cinderella. Like when Cinderella goes to birthday parties, that's where, like, the grandmas cry. Like, you know, obviously, like, the Frozen was, like, big at the time and, [00:11:57] Speaker A: like, all that stuff. [00:11:58] Speaker C: It still is, obviously. But, you know, they were like, when you sing A dream is a wish your heart makes. That is when, like, the grandmothers in the room are gonna start, like, sobbing. [00:12:05] Speaker B: Because they were little girls. [00:12:07] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And ironically, she also told me she was like. And the dads get really nervous around Belle because they were little boys when that movie came out. And so she was a lot of their, like, first crush. Yeah. [00:12:19] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:12:20] Speaker C: So the. And that Also tracked. Yeah, the dad's getting her around Belle. But yes, Cinderella is, I would argue, like kind of the quintessential Disney princess. [00:12:29] Speaker A: Because. Yeah. Because Sleeping beauty is what, 20 years prior? A decade prior? Is it 40? [00:12:35] Speaker C: I think, yes. [00:12:36] Speaker A: Because Aurora is technically a princess. [00:12:38] Speaker C: Yes. Ye. [00:12:40] Speaker A: But it. Cinderella is usually the first thing that people think of for the quote unquote, Disney princess. [00:12:45] Speaker C: Well, I mean, you know, and this is also kind of just getting into the history of the movie. The Cinderella movie kind of saved Disney. They were like, I think like three and a half million dollars in debt when. When they were making the movie, they kind of bet the farm on Cinderella. And it paid off really well because they hadn't had like a big box office hit since Snow White. Because the Sleeping Beauty was okay, but, like, it didn't do super great. And then like all of those other, like, weird movies came out that kind of flopped that were like, you know, direct to whatever was going on, I [00:13:22] Speaker B: GUESS in the 40s, throughout the 40s, they were mostly focusing on the, like, short cartoons like Mickey and stuff, that kind of thing. [00:13:30] Speaker A: Well, we are kind of forgetting, I think either right after this or this is similar time frame because one of my. My favorite iconic Disney song is Zippity do from a film that doesn't have a trilogy. Will never have a trilogy. So we will not talk about this podcast. But yeah, that was kind of the era of just. Yeah, because like we're a decade before Jungle Book, right around that era. And then. Because when does Disney die? We're really going, Walt. Yeah, Walt. Was it late? [00:13:58] Speaker C: Why am I. Why did. Why did. The first thing that came to my brain is 1958. [00:14:03] Speaker B: I thought he died in the 60s or 70s. [00:14:05] Speaker C: You're probably right. [00:14:06] Speaker B: 66. [00:14:07] Speaker C: Okay. I don't know why I thought 1958. [00:14:09] Speaker A: Because he also. Yeah, because there's also Mary Poppins later on and he very much. I consider where Disney is now. I don't think Walt would have ever expected to actually be mostly known for just animation properties. And especially with how much of a longevity Cinderella has had. [00:14:27] Speaker B: Yeah, right. [00:14:28] Speaker A: Especially now, watching it like in 2026. It's just. It's insane how with the film. Because what kind of ebb and flow. But especially with this first film. It's like if you've seen Cinderella, it hasn't changed since the last time you saw it. [00:14:42] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:14:42] Speaker A: And that's kind of the magic of the film as well as why a lot of people consider it perfect or why it's. Most people consider it Just a classic, regardless of the flaws and all. Because it's just like 74 minutes of like this is exactly what I remember watching at 6 years old. Like when we were watching it together I was like, fuck. [00:15:01] Speaker C: I think that the, I think the magic of the movie holds up in a way that like not a lot of movies like that do. That you are nostalgic for, for sure. [00:15:12] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:15:13] Speaker C: I think that it is genuinely very, it's very well made. Vocal performances are fantastic. [00:15:20] Speaker B: Yes, obviously beautiful movie. [00:15:21] Speaker A: Rotoscoped as hell. [00:15:23] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:15:24] Speaker A: In a good way. Not a derogatory way. [00:15:26] Speaker B: But yeah, I mean there's, there's, there's this movie's rotoscoping then there's Ralph Bakshi rotoscoping and there's two different comfortable. But yeah, I mean I was, that's what really stood out to me on this watch through because I haven't, I haven't seen the movie or hadn't seen the movie probably since I was 9 or 10 years old. And yeah, it's just such a beautiful film, like visually stunning. And obviously Disney made a lot of really beautiful animation back in the day and still do. But you know, I, I don't necessarily. I've seen Sleeping Beauty and Snow White more recently than I had seen Cinderella. And like, yeah, those are very good looking movies, well done. But there's something the, the style of this, the very surreal kind of magical realism of the, the lighting changing in different scenes and the, all of the. What do they call it, where they, they actually, in the studios when they were filming the animation cells, they would space them apart to create depth. [00:16:34] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [00:16:34] Speaker B: So you were literally getting photographic depth of field on 2D slices of animation. Just crazy stuff in this movie. [00:16:43] Speaker A: Cause I will say, at least for me, when I think of Snow White, that was probably the first princess film I had watched. But I also remember never finishing it as a kid because I was the kid that would sit right in front of the tube TV on this on the floor and I remember falling asleep watching Snow White. [00:17:00] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:17:01] Speaker A: And then my family, my mom going, don't bother with Sleeping Beauty because the name says it all. But Cinderella was the first one I think I watched in full. And I remembered it very vividly on like a vhs, like the white clamshell. [00:17:13] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:17:14] Speaker A: And then even though by the time I was probably 12 or 13 is when they probably released it on DVD, like back from the vault or whatever they would call it for that, the special edition, because every classic got a special edition DVD rewatched. It Then and then, probably. Yeah. It's been maybe 20 years almost, I think, since I've seen it, but. How many times have you seen it, Kelsie? [00:17:35] Speaker B: Genuinely innumerable. [00:17:37] Speaker C: Yeah. It's one of the movies that I put on when I'm doing laundry. [00:17:41] Speaker A: But, like, from top to bottom, can you think it would hit triple digits? [00:17:45] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. [00:17:45] Speaker B: Okay. [00:17:46] Speaker C: Easily. See, my big movie, the movie that I wore the VHS tape out on, though, was actually Sleeping Beauty. I was really big into Maleficent. I really liked the fairies. I thought they were very cool. That's also one of the darker ones, in my opinion. Yeah. And I was very into that. I also really liked the Black Cauldron. So, like, that was kind of the vibe of Disney that I was into as a kid. [00:18:12] Speaker A: Kelsey. Godspeed. Because that makes you one of four people that probably likes that. [00:18:16] Speaker C: Oh, oh, the Black Cauldron. [00:18:17] Speaker B: I love the Black Cauldron. My brother and I watched this. [00:18:20] Speaker C: Dude, that was. [00:18:21] Speaker A: That was. That was another one that I didn't watch for. I have actually never seen in full because that old as too, that was one of the films that. Around the time that movie was coming out, that's when I think Michael Eisner and Jeffrey Katzenberg came on. Because Black Cauldron apparently was butchered to by Jeffrey Katzenberg. [00:18:40] Speaker C: Yeah. It was also, like, a complete flop. [00:18:43] Speaker A: Yeah. Oh, my God. [00:18:45] Speaker B: It was 1985. [00:18:47] Speaker C: That is so much later than I thought that it was gonna be. [00:18:50] Speaker A: When I think of 80s Disney, I think of Oliver and Company, because that's what I watched a lot growing up. The only film Billy Joel has ever been in. It's the craziest. Only thing he's ever been credited for as an actor is Oliver and Company. [00:19:04] Speaker C: But, yeah, to get back to your ultimate question, it has easily been over 100 times that I've seen Cinderella over the course. I'm almost 30 years old. [00:19:12] Speaker B: That's fair. Yeah. Yeah. [00:19:13] Speaker C: And I watch it at least twice a year now as a grown adult woman. [00:19:19] Speaker B: Which is tapered off, right? [00:19:21] Speaker C: Which is tapered off significantly because I used to, like, play the fuck out of those games. [00:19:25] Speaker A: It's like that Evan Peters Jeffrey Dahmer video. But it's just you and Jake where it's like, sit down, honey. We're watching Cinderella and you're gonna like it. [00:19:35] Speaker B: Would you just. Would you go so far as to describe this as, like, one of your favorite few movies? [00:19:43] Speaker C: Like, in general or Disney? [00:19:46] Speaker A: Ooh, Disney is a good question. [00:19:47] Speaker B: Though probably not like, in a 10, in a 20. Maybe. [00:19:52] Speaker C: Maybe in a 20, if I had to like list off like influential movies to me specifically, then yeah, I would say that this one or Sleeping Beauty is definitely on the list for sure. If I'm listing off like 20, but for Disney movies, I would say it's on the Mount Rushmore for sure. Just in terms of like staying power too. That's probably like what Cinderella, Lion King, [00:20:16] Speaker B: Frozen at this point in Cinderella 3. [00:20:19] Speaker C: Yeah, in Cinderella 3 at twisted time, [00:20:20] Speaker A: not dreams Come true. Excuse me, it's not all three of them in Frozen. [00:20:27] Speaker C: We don't even know if the second movie is canon. [00:20:30] Speaker B: I think we should discuss that. [00:20:31] Speaker A: That is just. [00:20:32] Speaker B: Yeah, that's. Well, the. Yeah. Because I guess we'll get more to it as we get into three. But three kind of disputes too. A little bit. [00:20:39] Speaker C: A little bit. [00:20:39] Speaker A: Yeah, it does. It does. It weirdly, weirdly decides. Apparently if you look at the inspiration for three was just two. [00:20:46] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:20:46] Speaker A: Which is. Yeah. [00:20:47] Speaker B: Was that the one subplot? [00:20:49] Speaker A: Yeah, the one in chapter two. The vignette I think it's called. Cause I think the original idea was Cinderella 2. How Anastasia got Her Groove. I think that's what it was originally called. And then they were like, hold on, what if it was more about her and also a time travel plot. Yeah. [00:21:07] Speaker C: And the time travel logic is tight, in my opinion. They don't have to do a whole lot with it. [00:21:14] Speaker A: Yeah. Because it's funny. Because when it comes to the two sequels, which are completely direct to video, clearly made in the era of either we turn this film into a three season television show that gets syndicated and we use this until forever, or we now take advantage of video and then just do direct to video or direct to DVD. Because I believe Cinderella 3 is considered the last direct to video sequel to a classic Disney property that was put into production. So once that film came out. [00:21:50] Speaker C: Yeah, that I can think of. Because when that came out. [00:21:53] Speaker A: Yeah, because I think. [00:21:54] Speaker C: Because I think. [00:21:57] Speaker A: Because One and a Half, I think is right before this. No, I don't think so. [00:22:05] Speaker C: Maybe Lion King 2. [00:22:06] Speaker A: Yeah, no, Simba's Pride, I think was. Simba's Pride was treated well. The thing is too is I think Cinderella too, I think if you look [00:22:13] Speaker C: at the numbers, although I did watch Simba's Pride like a year ago. It's kind of ass. [00:22:16] Speaker B: Oh, that's Lion King 2 was 98 and Lion King 1 and a half was 2004. [00:22:22] Speaker A: 2004. [00:22:23] Speaker B: Well, well before this. [00:22:24] Speaker A: Yeah. But I mean, Cinderella 2 at least, which we would probably all agree is like fine. It's not a bad movie. It's okay. [00:22:32] Speaker B: It's okay. [00:22:32] Speaker C: I remember liking it a lot. [00:22:35] Speaker A: That is a. When you look up direct to video Disney sequel, I think it's the poster. [00:22:39] Speaker B: You could do words for sure. [00:22:40] Speaker A: Yeah. But I think that you could have Pocahontas too. Oh, God. Thank God there's not a third one of that. [00:22:46] Speaker B: I have no concept of Pocahontas the New World. [00:22:51] Speaker C: No. I think the second one is literally called, like, a New World or like Brave New World or something like that. Something with New World in it. Even though she goes to England. [00:23:00] Speaker B: Right. It's like an inversion of the New World. [00:23:03] Speaker A: Again. One of my favorite Disney facts to give people, especially now because we're so disconnected from these two films specifically, is the fact that Lion King was the Z team. Nobody wanted to be on Lion King. Everyone wanted to be on Pocahontas. [00:23:18] Speaker C: Yeah. You got sent to Lion King as a punishment. [00:23:20] Speaker A: Yes. And then when. Go draw. [00:23:22] Speaker C: Animals, go draw. [00:23:25] Speaker A: No, they. Are they singing. I mean, the second thing is the fact that ABBA was originally. Wasn't. I think ABBA was originally pitched Lion King before Elton John. [00:23:33] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:23:34] Speaker A: So. Which is crazy. That is a wild. Could you imagine Jeremy Irons singing a song written by the ABBA or like half of abba. [00:23:43] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:23:44] Speaker A: As long as it doesn't sound like a fucking Hobo Johnson song like it does in the Favreau remake. But tangent aside, I think Cinderella 2, I think in terms of sales did like 90 million copies sold or something. It was like a huge amount of copy sold for direct to video. [00:24:01] Speaker C: It is rated pretty low on Rotten Tomatoes, though. [00:24:05] Speaker A: Well, yeah, at 10%. Well, I would quote me. I don't. I don't think there's no way anyone would be like, it's been 52 years since the original. Surely there's a good reason why this exists other than money. And then you watch it, you're like, no, it exists because. Yeah, because they're recirculating the original film. And they're like, well, fuck. People are still interested. Cinderella is the poster child in a lot of ways. [00:24:31] Speaker C: Crop of young girls to market princess [00:24:34] Speaker A: dresses to dresses that are not accurate to the actual dress. Which is a good. Which is a nice little tidbit that you brought up when we watched the original. [00:24:44] Speaker C: The original dress in the original movie, her dress is silver. It is not blue. And then when the princess franchise became a thing, they swapped it over to blue because they did not want a bunch of little child brides running around Disney World. Even Though, like, they are dressing as these teenage girls who are getting married. Because Cinderella, I think, is like 19, but like Jasmine and Aladdin is like 14. So, you know, we're playing fast and loose with the age. [00:25:13] Speaker B: Can say as a princess in the 50s. [00:25:17] Speaker C: Old. Yeah, yeah, I know. [00:25:19] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:25:19] Speaker C: She's an old crone at that point. [00:25:21] Speaker A: I think she's already. Already on her third husband by that point. [00:25:24] Speaker C: Yeah, well, she was kept in, you know, she was locked away. [00:25:28] Speaker A: I mean, to be honest, in terms of a marketing way, like, if I had a suit and a cigarette right now, I would say the blue pops a lot better on the pink when it comes to, like, the Disney princess. [00:25:38] Speaker C: Yeah. I just love the sparkle. [00:25:42] Speaker B: Silver is an easier sell in animation than it is on a poster or [00:25:48] Speaker C: a cartoon because you also don't want it to look gray and you don't want it to look like, you know, blinding either. [00:25:56] Speaker A: Because I think the average Disney animator in my head, especially in the 50s, looks like Coraline's dad, where it just like, has like the bag under his eyes. [00:26:03] Speaker C: They've got, like, you know, hunched over, their neck is four feet long. [00:26:07] Speaker A: Making sure they just got the new rotoscope footage. They have to, like, have her go to the well, they have to go to the fountain and she's crying. [00:26:15] Speaker C: Well, you're not a Disney princess if you don't throw your body onto a surface and sob dramatically. [00:26:21] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:26:22] Speaker A: I mean, the thing about that the original film is just the fact that, like, if you're listening to the pod and you've not seen the original film, stop the pod, go watch the original, if anything. And then if you're curious, two and three, of course, go for. I think out of the three of us, we'd recommend. Three is a fun ride. [00:26:38] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:26:39] Speaker A: But it's not, like, incredible. It's just like for a direct to video film that you're like a time travel Cinderella film. What the fuck? It's a lot weirder than you'd expect. [00:26:49] Speaker C: But no, I absolutely watched the first one simply because it's. It's an iconic movie and massively. [00:26:55] Speaker B: Yeah, massively influential. Obviously Snow White preceded it, but it really burst open that new wave of princesses that Disney would become synonymous with. And, and just, I mean, just, just. I mean, Disney in the 50s, Disney throughout the 40s and 50s was just, I mean, the reach they have even today with just the influence of those films that they were putting out at that time and the amount they impacted animation and made animation like a viable theatrical, you know, event more than just [00:27:29] Speaker A: a short in front of the real film. [00:27:30] Speaker B: Right, right. And so it's worth experiencing the, you know, iconic piece of that part of cinematic history. [00:27:37] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:27:38] Speaker A: And you get pretty much the classic Disney in here, where you get beautiful designs, beautiful backgrounds. The animation is spectacular for the time. You have songs that are absolute earworms. You have scary moments, but not too scary. Mostly with the evil stepmother's eyes. Oh, yeah. All the bags, the shadows around her face as her glaring eyes open up. [00:28:01] Speaker C: I would argue the entire movie watching it is worth it for just that scene. Single shot of Lucifer going up the stairs. [00:28:07] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. Yeah. A lot more Tom and Jerry energy in this movie than I remembered. [00:28:13] Speaker C: Yeah. With the mice and with Lucifer, the cats. [00:28:15] Speaker B: And in general, the mice have way more real estate in this film than I recall. [00:28:21] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [00:28:21] Speaker B: I was like, damn, these guys are huge characters. [00:28:24] Speaker C: People forget that about the Snow White movie with the dwarfs as well. And also with Sleeping Beauty. People are surprised by how much the fairies are really kind of center stage there. But the mice originally were supposed to be, like, really, really minor characters, but the test audiences really, really loved them, and so they increased their presence in the movie. [00:28:43] Speaker A: They got so cute. Such cute designs. [00:28:45] Speaker C: Yeah. They're only three of them. Personality. Yeah. Well, a lot of them have names. There's Mary, who's like Jacques, like, girlfriend or whatever. And then there's Gus, and then obviously Jacques. But, like, I mean, there's. [00:28:57] Speaker A: I feel like Gus is not his government name. [00:28:58] Speaker C: We've already discussed Octavius, as previously mentioned. It is Octavius. [00:29:04] Speaker A: I just can't get over that. Insane. [00:29:07] Speaker B: Of course we're laughing about it, but, like, if we looked it up, it'd probably be, like, the historical nickname for Octavius or something. [00:29:13] Speaker A: It's just so funny because it is really just the mice end up becoming. There's the skinny one, there's the fat one. There's the girl one. Those are the three mains. And then all the other ones just have different shirts. Never really say that. [00:29:26] Speaker C: They're just like the child one. That's like the small one of the group, though, and the only one always in the shenanigans. [00:29:32] Speaker A: And they never say their own names. They always just say Jacques, Gus, or Mary. So it's just a huge amount of mice. There's also the dog. I forgot about Bruno, the last of the Bassett. [00:29:46] Speaker C: We don't talk about Bruno. [00:29:48] Speaker A: Bruno Mars is Bruno in the 2015. So it's like, a lot. [00:29:54] Speaker B: Who plays Lucifer? [00:29:55] Speaker A: Oh, my God. [00:29:56] Speaker B: I got a real problem with that. No, because. Well, because in this film, in the fifth 1950 film, very obviously just a human being making cat noises, which, like, was common for the time. But I had to laugh when we watched it. I was like, that's a guy, that's a person. [00:30:11] Speaker C: That's a human person. [00:30:12] Speaker B: So I think, you know, if we were to add a voice, you'd have [00:30:18] Speaker A: to go, well, if it's post Frozen, you could do the Alan Tudyk thing and have him be Lucifer. Because by. By pretty much post, it's before Frozen is. What's Tudyk's first role with them? Because Frozen, he's the. The Duke of Weselton. [00:30:36] Speaker B: Oh, geez. [00:30:37] Speaker A: And then he. Then he plays Duke Weasel in Zootopia. He's also the main bad guy, or you think is the main bad guy in Big Hero 6. Yeah, he's the chicken in Moana. [00:30:48] Speaker C: Yeah, I think that is excellent. I think you also. You have to give Lucifer a song. [00:30:52] Speaker B: Oh, he's a king. Candy in Wreck It. Yeah. Yeah. [00:30:55] Speaker A: Have some candy. Yes. Yes, he is. Honestly, I think it'd be funny if Tudyk just didn't talk. If it was just Alan. [00:31:04] Speaker B: And he's been in every Disney animation film since Wreck It Ralph. [00:31:08] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:31:09] Speaker C: Wow. [00:31:09] Speaker A: He's been busy. [00:31:10] Speaker C: They love to keep him booked and Busy. [00:31:12] Speaker A: And Zootopia 3 just got announced, so we'll probably see Duke Weasel again. Even though I haven't seen Zootopia 2 yet. [00:31:18] Speaker C: I wonder who he'll play in Frozen 3. [00:31:21] Speaker A: Frozen 3? [00:31:22] Speaker C: Well, they give us another gag with [00:31:24] Speaker A: the Duke of Weselton. I'm just glad we're getting. This is gonna be a tangent. This whole fucking episode. It's just Disney, because we're talking about. We're talking about the poster child of Disney, especially Disney princesses. It is kind of that thing where we can be like. It's a film where Cinderella is just mistreated by her stepsisters and her stepmom. [00:31:46] Speaker C: Cinderella. Primordial sister soup, in which all Disney movies are born. [00:31:50] Speaker A: Yeah, she's. She's sweet as can be. She's pure as possible. She's inventive, she's fun. [00:31:56] Speaker C: Well, I don't know. She also has a lot more personality, I think, than people give her credit for, for sure. And I'm not here to do the whole BuzzFeed thing where, like, you know, I argue really strongly in one way or the other that Cinderella is anti feminist or, you know, or we can take a look at it and, you know, basically line it up with Andrea Dworkin's writings, obviously, for all the listeners. [00:32:17] Speaker A: Andy just took his thumbnail of Cinderella, had woke over it. He just got rid of it. Yeah. [00:32:24] Speaker C: I don't. I don't think that the Cinderella movie needs to have an opinion on women's rights, actually. [00:32:32] Speaker B: Sure. [00:32:32] Speaker C: I don't think. I think it was made in 1950. [00:32:36] Speaker A: That's a hot take, brother. Well, you know, it's kind of funny because. [00:32:41] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:32:41] Speaker A: Because 2016 kind of tried to do the whole. There's more to her than that. She horseback rides. [00:32:46] Speaker C: Let's have courage. [00:32:47] Speaker A: The classic. [00:32:48] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:32:49] Speaker A: The classic Disney live action thing. Yeah. [00:32:51] Speaker C: And, you know, Lily James is lovely, but I do think that Cinderella in that movie is honestly even more passive than she is in the original animated version. Like, there's a scene where Lucifer, you know, goes and dips his paws in the dust and gets him all over the floor, and she picks up a broom and she's about to go beat the. [00:33:07] Speaker B: Out of that cat. She's got a little bit of. [00:33:10] Speaker C: She makes fun of her stepsisters to her mice quite frequently. She. I think she's funny. I think she has some. You know, there's that also that scene where they're piling all of the laundry on her and she just looks, like, stoned out of her mind. The prince is coming to try the slipper on everybody because. [00:33:32] Speaker A: Yeah. There's a. There's a big announcement across the village or the town that they're doing this big old ball to try to give the prince a wife because his dad just wants to have grandchildren. He's dreaming about grandchildren riding him. [00:33:49] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:33:50] Speaker A: And it's, like, insane. [00:33:53] Speaker C: It's a funny scene. [00:33:55] Speaker A: It's funny. [00:33:55] Speaker C: And the bed is enormous. [00:33:58] Speaker A: Charming's dad is an mvp. [00:34:01] Speaker B: Is he technically, like, king, I guess, or do they call him something? [00:34:04] Speaker C: Yes, he's the king. You know, he's. Yeah, he's just the king. I'm pretty sure. I don't think he really has. Unless maybe he does have a name. Because I feel like I vaguely remember when we were watching the first one, they said a name, and I was like, oh, he's got a name, but the prince doesn't have a name. [00:34:18] Speaker B: Right. [00:34:19] Speaker C: But also, the prince is literally just not a character in the first one. [00:34:21] Speaker A: Really. [00:34:21] Speaker B: At all. Yeah, yeah. But I mean, the king feels like the most. The most. This film is really going for, like, goofy, wacky cartoon shit. Like. Yeah. [00:34:31] Speaker C: And like his duke sidekick that he has with the Chronicle. Yeah, yeah. They. They're very fun. No queen to Be found. Well, she's. Well, we do see her in the third one, right? [00:34:42] Speaker B: I think portraits. Yeah. Implication was she. She died kind of young. [00:34:45] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:34:46] Speaker A: So very unfortunate. So according to Wikipedia, he's just the king, but the actor who plays the king also plays the Grand Duke. [00:34:53] Speaker C: Oh, really? [00:34:54] Speaker A: So he plays both. [00:34:54] Speaker C: Okay. That's fun. [00:34:57] Speaker A: But. Yes. [00:34:58] Speaker B: So love a voice actor who argues with themselves. [00:35:01] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. Yes. One scared of the other person constantly being beheaded. Possibly. But yeah. The duke. The king wants grandchildren. They have a ball. Cinderella says, if I get all my chores done, I can go. [00:35:15] Speaker C: And you have to find something suitable to wear, which don't forget. [00:35:18] Speaker A: And thank God, her mice are incredible. And the birds. And she makes something and they go, psych, bitch, you're not going. Yeah. They rip it to shreds. They abuse her. They leave laughing. [00:35:31] Speaker C: Literally abuse her. [00:35:32] Speaker A: And then her fairy godmother goes, don't worry, Queen, I got you. Where's the iconic dress? [00:35:37] Speaker C: Yeah. And I was. While we were watching the movie, but the transformation of, like, Cinderella is Walt Disney. Walt was. I guess he's Dead was Walt Disney's favorite piece of animation that was ever. [00:35:51] Speaker B: I love that. [00:35:52] Speaker C: Created Honestly, beautiful, too. Like, even. Like, if you even just go and watch on YouTube, just go, you know, right by frame, it's. [00:35:59] Speaker B: Find a gif or something. Like, it's. Yeah. [00:36:02] Speaker C: Like, the hair that twists. Dress, the magic, the sparkles. [00:36:06] Speaker A: It's just one of those moments where somebody did 2026. I understand not liking Disney for a multitude of reasons in modern sense, but if they're just like, I don't know why Disney's ever been popular. It's like you show that clip and you're like, you're right. [00:36:18] Speaker C: It's like this movie came out in 1950 and you're telling me that you don't get why this is popular? [00:36:23] Speaker A: It's 76 years old and it holds up. It is incredibly beautiful, straightforward. Honestly. Once the ball happens, it pretty much doesn't stop. It never feels slow, but to me, it doesn't meander. Yeah. As a kid, I always remember once they become. Once she gets the dress and goes to the ball, I think it just flies a lot faster than the rest of the film. It becomes more interesting. Even though the film's not boring either. It just. [00:36:51] Speaker C: Well, I mean, the main conflict of the first act and a half is just that these people are horrible to her. [00:36:57] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:36:57] Speaker C: So you're just watching. You're just watching this teenage girl be abused verbally, physically, spiritually, psychologically. [00:37:07] Speaker A: Well, another thing Too is. I don't think we see the prince until the ball, right? No, we do not talk a lot about him. I think the kid, the king, talks about him a lot. [00:37:15] Speaker C: He's, like, away. [00:37:16] Speaker A: Yeah. He's at school or something. [00:37:18] Speaker C: Yeah. Prince school. He's learning how to be king. [00:37:21] Speaker A: Charming Academy. Like war. [00:37:23] Speaker B: Yeah. He's leading war. [00:37:24] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:37:27] Speaker B: On the front line. [00:37:28] Speaker A: Father, I've come back. I've murdered so many people. Where's my bride? [00:37:32] Speaker C: He's like, and you've got to go back. So you need to inseminate this woman before that happens. [00:37:36] Speaker A: So that way you give me three grandchildren by the end of this summer. Before. [00:37:42] Speaker B: Yeah. No more conquest until you have a child. [00:37:45] Speaker C: Well, the third one starts a full year after the first movie, and still she. No, no bump. No baby bump in sight. No child running around, tugging on her skirts. None of that. [00:37:56] Speaker A: It's kind. Yeah. It's funny how this trilogy. Yeah, this trilogy basically takes place in the span of at most a year. [00:38:02] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:38:03] Speaker A: Like, the second film kind of takes place, let's say at most half a year. Because they're talking about stories that happened in the last few weeks since Cinderella got married. Because it picks up right at the end of one for. Well, you know, the first story, at least. [00:38:17] Speaker C: This is where. This is where, though, we get into this weird, tiny, whiny bullshit. Because I. Now, my genuine opinion is that the first movie obviously happens, then the third movie happens, and then all of the stories that we see in the second one are actually, like, after the third movie is resolved. And that's when Anastasia and the Baker happens. [00:38:41] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:38:41] Speaker C: And that's when she gets her adventure. [00:38:43] Speaker A: Even though at the end of three, it implies that they didn't get to have their moment, but now the baker and Anastasia get to have their moment because they have, like, the little mural. [00:38:51] Speaker C: Yeah. In the credit. [00:38:52] Speaker A: It's so weird. [00:38:53] Speaker C: It's very. It like Retcons itself, even though it's inspired by itself. It's like a Russian nest. [00:39:01] Speaker A: It'd be funny. It was like. Yeah, this movie inspired us to keep making movies, but we really don't think it's worth the reason why we made this movie. It's like eating its own. It's eating itself. [00:39:12] Speaker B: It's kind of like when a director is fixated on a specific idea. So they have multiple movies about basically the same idea. It's kind of redundant, except these are literally about the same characters. [00:39:24] Speaker C: No, wait, I had a little more to say. [00:39:25] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:39:26] Speaker A: It's like it's the closest thing In a modern sense or just in a normal film sense, it's probably in, like, a slasher film where they kill the killer at the very end and they go, nope, you inspired me with your film. I'm bringing him back. That all didn't happen. [00:39:40] Speaker C: He somehow survived getting still alive. [00:39:43] Speaker A: He's back. But, yeah, I mean, it's. What do you think? Do you think. Because I don't think they ever really talked about. Because at the time, they're not thinking in 1950, this film does. Well, the mindset is not. Let's do Cinderella 2. Because that mindset doesn't really happen until probably Godfather Part 2, Rocky 2 era. Like, in the 70s. Because the 70s were a lot of the times where it's like when people are like, actually, we could make another one. And they're like, that's so pathetic. Another film, a sequel in this day and age, like, at the time, that's the 70s. So I feel like back then, which, again, there was Bond, there were other films that did have multiple instances. But it's like, to be so popular to think, oh, the next thing, we should definitely just pump out another one in a year or two. Wasn't really the mindset at the time. [00:40:32] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:40:33] Speaker A: So it. [00:40:34] Speaker B: Well, and I think that, like, animation houses at that time were so. I mean, animation was still kind of young, in a sense. And especially with, like, the popularity of Cinderella and the films that followed closely after, there was kind of this. I think, not just a boom of releases, but this sort of boom of creativity. You've got all of these talented people in this relatively new medium. They've probably got all these ideas for stories they could tell. And so it's like, yeah, you start just rattling off everything you've got. Because I think right after this is. Oh, I think we also bring up [00:41:13] Speaker A: the public domain in the room, which a lot of examples. Cinderella exists as a film because they didn't have to pay any rights to have the. Because it's. Did we figure this out? Is it Hans Christian or is it somebody. [00:41:25] Speaker C: The original. [00:41:26] Speaker B: Yeah, I think this is Hans Christian. Yeah. Because we looked him up and he had. We were like, oh, he has an interesting face. [00:41:34] Speaker A: Yes, Now I remember that guy. [00:41:36] Speaker B: Yeah. Okay. So, yeah, I mean, basically throughout the 40s, you've got several. I mean, now iconic Disney films where they were flops at the time. Dumbo, Bambi, God. And then you got Song in the South. [00:41:50] Speaker A: I don't know. I've never heard of that song before. [00:41:52] Speaker B: And then you have Cinderella in 1950. Alice in Wonderland, 1951, Peter Pan, 1953, lady and the Tramp, 1955, Sleeping Beauty, 1959. [00:42:03] Speaker A: We need to talk about this now because I've now noticed the problem with my head when it. Because I feel like I'm pretty decent when we talk about dates. [00:42:10] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:42:10] Speaker A: Disney, for the constant amount of RE releases fucked me so hard in terms of, like, everything feels like it's all next to each other. But they came out back to back. [00:42:19] Speaker B: Yes. Because you had this line of VHS tapes in your home that all, like, released at the same time. [00:42:25] Speaker A: Alison, Wonderland is 1952. Did not compute. Not even a second. It felt like. It felt like it was way earlier than that. They made that movie that feels like a 1930s. [00:42:34] Speaker C: Well, it's. [00:42:34] Speaker A: You know, they make it look so good. [00:42:36] Speaker C: Well, it's the same thing with the Black Cauldron. We didn't know that. We were. I was shocked when you said that movie came out in 1980. That feels like a 40s movie to me. [00:42:43] Speaker A: We just thought the rapping section. Black Cauldron was there in the 30s. [00:42:49] Speaker C: Black Cauldron is a good movie. I'll stand by that. [00:42:51] Speaker B: I haven't seen it in a long time, but I'm very fond of it. [00:42:54] Speaker A: Again, we said it off mic. But I'll say this, and I would watch the Rachel Zegler Snow White film with you, Kelsey. And I will also watch Black Cauldron. [00:43:01] Speaker C: Yeah. It's not. It's not Rachel Zegler, so. All right, Full review of the Snow White movie. [00:43:06] Speaker B: Let's do it. [00:43:07] Speaker C: Rachel Zegler is the best part of that film. [00:43:09] Speaker A: Easily. [00:43:09] Speaker C: Easily. She cares a lot, and you can tell that comes through her performance in a good way. [00:43:14] Speaker B: You think she's good in that movie, even though when I slow down the video and pick out frames, she actually looks ugly. [00:43:20] Speaker C: Yeah. You know, I'm sorry to say that, you know, it's hard to believe. Yeah, I know. It's really difficult, but she does a decent job. She has a good voice. Great set of pipes on that one. [00:43:30] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:43:31] Speaker A: However, that was very funny, Andy. But that also triggered me because if I could really. If I could be triggered, it's that. It's the fact that, like, the amount of fan that does that and the fact that Disney also has to do with. [00:43:45] Speaker C: Well, and, like, also, though, that movie just should have never been made and. Or they shouldn't have cast her because it's like they did the same thing to Halle and the Little Mermaid remake where they make this casting decision and then they don't do anything to defend their lead actress. All of these. [00:44:06] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:44:06] Speaker C: From all these trolls online and all this other. It's like, leave them alone. [00:44:10] Speaker A: I will stand by until the day I die. That the fact that Rachel Zegler is still acting after her first three films were west side Story out of high school. Actually, she was still in high school and she was shooting west side Story. [00:44:22] Speaker C: She had to get permission from. To be Fiona in Shrek the Musical at her high school because you wanted [00:44:29] Speaker A: to be in her senior musical, west side Story with Ansel Elgort. Shazam 2, a film that I've yet to see and apparently does exist. We don't know. We're saying it doesn't. And then literally goes from that to Snow White a year or two later. And then that film is just in development. Hell, until they redesign and reanimate all the doors. [00:44:52] Speaker C: Don't forget she was in Y2K. [00:44:54] Speaker A: She was in Y2K. But hey, as a Kyle. As a. As a Kyle Mooney fan, I'm glad they gave that a shot. [00:44:59] Speaker C: Yeah, but yeah, but yeah, she's the best part of the film. The Dwarves are kind of scary, but they're not that bad. [00:45:06] Speaker B: They're fully cgi, right? [00:45:08] Speaker C: Yes. [00:45:08] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:45:10] Speaker C: The bandits are more charming than I anticipated them being, but they're still not. [00:45:16] Speaker A: But not Prince Charming. [00:45:17] Speaker C: Great. No. And like the bandit guy, he again, looks old. We talked about that. I think off mic earlier. He looks kind of old to me. And Rachel Zegler looks like a child. [00:45:28] Speaker A: Well, because Rachel Zegler, I think is. Yeah, she's. She's a. [00:45:32] Speaker C: Hair is bad. They did bad with the costuming, too. She looks like dog. [00:45:36] Speaker B: They did not help her out. [00:45:38] Speaker A: But you. But you think Gal Gadot did a really good job. [00:45:40] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. [00:45:41] Speaker B: The. [00:45:41] Speaker C: The Evil queen that the movie is. [00:45:43] Speaker B: She's the only reason I would see that movie. [00:45:46] Speaker A: It was funny. When that film was in development. [00:45:48] Speaker C: Hell, she has a song. [00:45:49] Speaker B: Okay. [00:45:50] Speaker A: I know. [00:45:50] Speaker C: She has a musical number that's like, basically, Diamonds Are A Girl's Best Friend. [00:45:55] Speaker A: Nice. [00:45:56] Speaker C: The villain version. And it is a hoot and holler. I'll say that. [00:46:01] Speaker B: Okay. Okay. [00:46:02] Speaker C: You know, we should. We should. We'll watch it. [00:46:04] Speaker B: Okay. [00:46:04] Speaker C: I'll make you guys watch it. All right. [00:46:06] Speaker A: I. Listen, I've seen Mulan, so. And I'm the live action, live action one. [00:46:10] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:46:11] Speaker A: So I. Yeah. [00:46:12] Speaker B: Kelsey, that was kind of before you kind of joined our circle. [00:46:16] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. [00:46:17] Speaker B: We. [00:46:17] Speaker A: We suffered from this. [00:46:18] Speaker C: You guys are. Watched it. [00:46:20] Speaker B: I was separate from Live Action Mulan and Because that was a Covid. Release. Yeah, yeah. Or maybe, I don't know. [00:46:27] Speaker C: It was like 2020, early 2021. But it was like definitely. [00:46:32] Speaker B: But it was one of those that they released and you had to pay $30 for it to actually immediately for digital. [00:46:37] Speaker C: They did that with cruelty, I think. [00:46:39] Speaker B: Yeah, 30 bucks. And so we group watched it. We all chipped in for this $30. And admittedly a terrible viewing experience for the people who actually wanted to watch the movie. I was not among them, but my wife, who loves Mulan to death. [00:46:58] Speaker A: Fucking love the original Mulan. [00:46:59] Speaker B: And I love it too. I mean, that is one of her core movies. Like Cinderella is for you. She was really looking forward to that movie. And I think all the rest of us had a feeling what the movie was gonna be. None of us, we were all cynical about it. So, like really from the opening moments, nobody in the room was giving it a chance. And Emma had to. Emma basically had to like put the hammer down on us. Was like, shut the fuck. I'm trying. I'm trying to watch the movie. [00:47:27] Speaker C: I'm trying to watch this movie. Okay, sorry, I shouldn't watch Mulan. [00:47:31] Speaker A: I have to say when. And it was bad when they used not good when they use a girl worth fighting for as a background motif. I wanted not Mushu Phoenix to burn me alive. I was so sick of just like, oh, we're not going to do the music. But we will use the music as motifs in the background at all times. And it's like, God, Yeah. [00:47:50] Speaker B: Well, it's the most half assed wuxia film. [00:47:53] Speaker A: Yes. Oh my God. [00:47:55] Speaker C: Well, Mulan has such great music. And then they don't use it in the movie. And they don't use one of their best characters to his potential. That he is li Shanghai. [00:48:07] Speaker B: That. [00:48:07] Speaker A: No, no. [00:48:08] Speaker C: The villains are bad and not menacing. [00:48:12] Speaker B: I mean, Mulan is so bland in that movie. [00:48:14] Speaker A: Yeah. She's boring. And they also shot near concentration camp. That was. That was a big controversy that pushed it back. [00:48:21] Speaker C: Controversy. [00:48:22] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:48:24] Speaker A: Andy, before I forget, because you said you're Mount Rushmore. Do you have a Mount Rushmore for Disney? [00:48:28] Speaker B: I was just thinking about this, like Disney proper, like not Pixar. [00:48:36] Speaker C: I also think that like the Disney Mount Rushmore is different than a personal Disney. [00:48:40] Speaker B: Mount Rushmore. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Cinderella would almost inarguably be on like a broad Disney Rushmore. I'm afraid I would pad out the runtime of this podcast episode too much trying to think of my Rushmore. [00:48:57] Speaker A: Kelsey, what would your personal be? I feel like yours would be, you'll be faster. [00:49:01] Speaker C: Oh, okay. [00:49:02] Speaker A: Right. [00:49:02] Speaker B: I think these are more top of mind. [00:49:04] Speaker C: Yeah, let's see Personal. Or let's see. Sleeping Beauty's gotta be on there. Probably like the original Toy Story. I watched the shit out of that one. [00:49:15] Speaker A: So you can pick Pixar if you want. [00:49:16] Speaker C: Yeah, that's fine. [00:49:17] Speaker B: That's fine. Yeah, yeah, we can do that. That would totally alter. [00:49:20] Speaker C: It was a big lady and the Tramp girl as a kid, but I don't know if I'd put that on it now. I feel like Moana was really good at the time to me. I haven't watched it in a couple of years, though. And I also have not seen Moana too. And I haven't seen the live action Moana 2. [00:49:36] Speaker A: I haven't seen Moana 2. And I. [00:49:38] Speaker C: But I will talk my shit about the Moana. [00:49:41] Speaker A: I will never get over the fact that they couldn't even wait a full calendar decade before making that fucking live action film. No, literally, this year, November, was the calendar decade anniversary of the original Moana. And they couldn't fucking wait because for some reason, they thought Moana2 wasn't going to make money. And yet it made a billion dollars in theaters, even though that was a Disney plus release for, like, three years in development. Yeah, that's okay. Because I would say, what was it? It was Hercules. Mulan, Lion King, Toy Story. Hercules hits the back of my brain every month. [00:50:22] Speaker B: Yeah, Hercules is huge for me. [00:50:25] Speaker C: Jake and I talked about the music in Hercules the other day, and he thinks that the music in Hercules is definitely like a Mount Rushmore for Disney songs. Go the distance in particular. [00:50:38] Speaker A: Again, I will give props. [00:50:39] Speaker B: It's so short. [00:50:41] Speaker A: And Meg, even though she's not a Disney princess. [00:50:43] Speaker B: Fuck, She's a Disney babe, though. [00:50:46] Speaker C: She's a Disney baddie. [00:50:47] Speaker A: And the fact that it took me years to realize that's Belle. That's Belle's voice as Meg is fucking crazy. And Disney literally wouldn't let her audition until she found a way to see Sneak it in. She basically had to sneak in her audition to be like, see, I can be sexy and kind of a little bit mischievous. [00:51:02] Speaker C: Disney, like, casting for these movies also used to be so much crazier than it is now. Not even in terms of auditions. Like, 400 women auditioned for the role of Cinderella. By the way, Eileen woods got the role because she recorded the demo not as an audition, but as a favor to one of the animators or the one of the producers. I can't remember. And Walt Disney heard it and he said, you can tell all those other 400 women who auditioned that they're free to go. We're going to cast this woman and she is, I believe, Cinderella's voice. And then she voices a couple of other popular Disney characters. [00:51:40] Speaker A: Well, Sydney Sweeney's not alive yet, so we can do. We can't use her for Cinderella. Yeah. [00:51:48] Speaker B: I think I have a personal Mount Rushmore. And I'll keep it to. I'll keep it to 2D Disney. [00:51:54] Speaker A: Okay. [00:51:54] Speaker C: We're keeping it tight. [00:51:55] Speaker B: Just because Pixar complicates. [00:51:57] Speaker A: I will say if we keep it a 2D, I'm switching Toy Story with Aladdin. [00:52:01] Speaker B: Okay. [00:52:01] Speaker C: That's fair. [00:52:02] Speaker A: All 90s. Unsurprising. [00:52:05] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, I think. I think Hercules and Milan would be there. Maybe Peter Pan. [00:52:16] Speaker A: Oh, you really like the part where they go meet the Native Americans. [00:52:22] Speaker B: Yes. [00:52:25] Speaker A: And then I did watch a lot that. [00:52:27] Speaker B: A little bit more of a deep cut and technically not a full feature film in its own right, but released as part of a kind of double billing theatrical release. The Legend of Sleepy Hollow was incredibly informative for me because that was. They released that with the Wind and the Willow. Like those two were put out in theaters together. But I watched the shit out of Sleepy Hollow. [00:52:49] Speaker A: It's funny how so many those films my parents were like, that's going to traumatize you. You're not gonna like. Cause I had. I don't know if you ever had these. Kelsey, I think we've talked about this in the. Did you ever have Merry Melodies growing up? [00:53:01] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. Merry Melodies was the. [00:53:04] Speaker A: It was vhs, basically. VHS compilation music videos where they would [00:53:08] Speaker B: have all Merrie Melodies and Looney Tunes were parallel series by Warner. [00:53:13] Speaker A: Yes. [00:53:14] Speaker C: I don't recall. [00:53:15] Speaker B: And they were often featured the same characters. [00:53:17] Speaker C: I don't recall that as a. Is it Merry Melody thing in my childhood. Really. I feel like we kind of stuck [00:53:23] Speaker A: to like featuring because they were a very specific. [00:53:25] Speaker C: I was a big Fantasia girl. [00:53:27] Speaker B: Yeah. I like. I Love Fantasia. [00:53:28] Speaker C: Fantasia 2000. [00:53:31] Speaker B: I probably wore out that VH. I can look at the VHS so bad. [00:53:34] Speaker C: I'm now feeling I have another addition to the Mount Rushmore. That's like an unsung hero. Aristotle to Cats. That's a really good movie in my opinion. Really great music. [00:53:43] Speaker B: As I recall. A big one for our friend Adam. [00:53:47] Speaker A: I will. [00:53:47] Speaker C: I love correct myself. [00:53:49] Speaker A: It's not Merry Melodies. It's just called Sing Along Songs. [00:53:52] Speaker B: Yeah. Mary Melodies was the counterpart to Lose. [00:53:55] Speaker A: So they looked like this. [00:53:57] Speaker C: Oh, maybe. [00:53:58] Speaker B: But like Sing Along Song. [00:54:00] Speaker C: I Feel like I was more into like actually watching the movies. [00:54:03] Speaker A: I watched the movies too. Goddamn. [00:54:05] Speaker C: Or like, I don't know. I also watch. Yeah, Logan, I'm better at movies than you actually. [00:54:10] Speaker A: Well, there's, there's. [00:54:11] Speaker B: I failed my childhood actually. [00:54:13] Speaker C: Actually watching. [00:54:14] Speaker A: I brought it up because. Because not only did they have all these fucking vhs, like compilation stuff that I would watch as well as the movies, they also had like early VHS versions of like the. The Mickey Mouse cartoons. There's. There was a VHS that had Mickey and the Beanstalk is like the main film. Main film. And the interlude between each one was a family with a talking dummy. Like a fucking Goosebumps episode and then talking. I know. And I was able to watch that. Yes. And then at one point, I think at the very end of the film, the giant from the in the beanstalk shows up and scares the family. And it's supposed to be funny the whole way through. [00:54:57] Speaker B: Horrifying. [00:54:58] Speaker C: That sounds. Yeah. [00:54:59] Speaker A: Mom, dad, if you're fucking listening to this, you better confirm that this is true. I swear to God, I don't know if I believe it really does. God, now I gotta look it up. [00:55:07] Speaker B: Yeah. Was this a childhood fever dream? [00:55:09] Speaker A: Oh, I would hope not. This would be Mickey and the Beanstalk vhs. I have to. I have to find it. [00:55:15] Speaker B: And that's going on the Mount Rush one. [00:55:17] Speaker A: No, it's not. [00:55:18] Speaker C: Like Disney shorts were also, like you mentioned a really big thing. Do you guys have any, like, shorts? They can also be Pixar shorts that like really stuck with you as a kid. For me, it was the Chess one. That's at the beginning of the Bug's Life. [00:55:31] Speaker B: Yes. That is probably my all time favorite Pixar short. Is it Ed's Game or something? [00:55:38] Speaker C: Something like that. [00:55:39] Speaker A: I fucking told you. This is. This is the puppet. Oh, yes. [00:55:46] Speaker C: So no, I'm familiar with that as like a meme, though I don't think that I ever actually watched that as a kid. [00:55:53] Speaker A: So I believe the compilation was called Fun and Fancy Free. And then there were puppet interludes with like a family and whatnot. Mom and dad, you can still confirm with me if you remember. It was crazy. Thank God for the Internet blessing and a curse. But in terms of going into the sequels, I would say my question for you two is if the Disney renaissance didn't happen, like where it basically, let's say some of half of what came out, half of a genre defining company's films, where basically it was like nearly every single year in the 90s was a banger, excluding Like I guess Pocahontas and Hunchback, which even now I think, [00:56:32] Speaker C: I mean even then, like I don't know how successful they were at the time. I've also really liked. I won't lie. I liked Pocahontas as a kid. [00:56:38] Speaker A: A lot of people did. Colors. [00:56:41] Speaker C: Colors of the Wind is just a great song. [00:56:43] Speaker A: Gorgeous moment. [00:56:44] Speaker C: Beautiful. And the animation is also gorgeous. [00:56:47] Speaker B: Creeped me out. [00:56:48] Speaker A: The tree kind of creeped me out. [00:56:49] Speaker C: The tree is a little creepy. Well, it's also. The tree has like that still like that era of Disney animation where like some of it is kind of 3D. [00:56:57] Speaker B: Yeah. They're doing that on Judy background. [00:56:58] Speaker C: They do that a lot for the character. That is like the organ. Like the piano organ in Belle, the Christmas one. [00:57:06] Speaker A: Yes, they do. [00:57:07] Speaker C: She's freaky. [00:57:09] Speaker A: I'm pretty sure that's Tim Curry. [00:57:11] Speaker C: I think so. Yeah. Cause I had to watch that because we used her song in our last Christmas fall that I was bell in. So I watched that and I was creeped out the whole time by that thing. But the tree did also have like a little bit of that 3D texture on top of the 2D. [00:57:26] Speaker A: But I. [00:57:27] Speaker C: That movie was really pretty. And I don't know, I think most Disney 2D animated movies are pretty. I know you said that like earlier that Snow White and Sleeping Beauty aren't as pretty to you as Cinderella, but I don't know. I think Sleeping Beauty especially is really pretty. It looks like a medieval town tapestry. [00:57:42] Speaker A: Yeah, the. The Sleeping Beauty design is insane for a film that put me to sleep as a child. [00:57:48] Speaker C: Aristocats is really pretty too. It's very similar to Cinderella. I would argue it's one of the more like the exteriors of. [00:57:54] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:57:55] Speaker C: Oh, you know what else is pretty movie? The 101 Dalmatians movie. Yeah, it's really pretty. [00:58:00] Speaker B: Honestly, another iconic London scenery. [00:58:03] Speaker C: Yeah, I think that they're in either like London or Paris. And it's really pretty and like it's rainy all of the time. Peter Pan is London. Yeah. It was like stylized. Now I feel like most Disney releases look. [00:58:17] Speaker B: So this is another tangent. I'll try to keep this short, but you brought it up. Go ahead. I am. [00:58:24] Speaker A: This is gonna be a four hour episode. [00:58:25] Speaker B: So sick. So fucking sick to my bones. Of animation in general, but I think largely perpetuated by Disney like since maybe Frozen of just pursuing photorealistic physics and textures and lighting. I mean, you know, Toy Story 4, graphically insanely impressive film. But why are we doing like hyper realistic lens imperfections and that like. [00:59:00] Speaker A: Yeah, still looks fantastic. [00:59:03] Speaker B: No, it's a good looking movie. But like, yeah, I would love to go back to more style. Yeah, more style. [00:59:09] Speaker C: More. [00:59:10] Speaker B: Less realistic. [00:59:11] Speaker C: It was cool for a while. Don't get me wrong. Like when Brave came out, Merida's hair was the most complicated thing that had literally ever been animated at the time because she has like I think over 50,000 individually animated strands of hair. Rapunzel's hair was also like insane to animate the snow in Frozen. The original Frozen was crazy to animate. But I. To take your point, Andy. I agree. I remember watching Frozen 2 when it came out and I was like, why does the water that they're like canoeing through literally look real? It doesn't need to look this real. I'm watching an animated movie with a talking snowman. I don't need the water texture to look like I could literally reach out and talk, touch it. Is it cool that you can do that? Sure. But like, I don't know. I'm. I, I miss when the animation was a lot more stylized. And I think that we kind of pointed that out when we were watching the original Cinderella too. It used to be. [01:00:05] Speaker A: So when, yeah, when you, when you get, when you make, you know, Tangled and you do Frozen and all these others and like with Frozen in particular, it's like has a very specific style. It's not overblown, but a very consistent, grounded kind of feel to it. A lot of tone wise colors that does well. They're not going to make it any crazier than it was before. There's a lot more of. I always think of red and purple for two. They do a lot more. Is it red and purple in Prism 2? There's a lot orange. [01:00:37] Speaker C: No. I mean Anna wears kind of like a brown dress, but she's got a purpley plum kind of colored cloak that's very intentionally, very similar to the one that Elsa wears in the first one. Yes, I would say. [01:00:49] Speaker B: No. [01:00:49] Speaker C: Yeah, I would say that it's very red and purpley because also it's fall, it's autumn. So the trees around them are very red. So that also is obviously influencing the aesthetic of the film. [01:01:00] Speaker A: It was kind of the mind. It does feel like the Disney mindset. [01:01:02] Speaker C: Elsa wears a purple dress in a lot of the merch because that's the one that she's in when she sings into the unknown. [01:01:08] Speaker A: The fact that, God. When Frozen 3 comes out, we're gonna have to talk about all three of them. [01:01:13] Speaker C: I'll be on Your podcast again, if you have. [01:01:15] Speaker A: You honestly, you have Carte Blanche and Frozen, we will definitely have that conversation. Because the Frozen 2 is the film that goes, what if there were two let it go numbers? [01:01:23] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:01:24] Speaker A: And the one that I argue is better than the other is not the one that they put in all the marketing. [01:01:28] Speaker C: No. I think that Show Yourself is a much better song. [01:01:31] Speaker A: I love Show Yourself compared to the. [01:01:33] Speaker C: I literally still cry when I'm not sure. I think it's a really beautiful song. I think the choir that comes in is, like, just literally just gorgeous, you know? [01:01:44] Speaker A: But I mean, again, Andy, if you're looking for style, where were you when Wish came out? [01:01:47] Speaker B: Where was I? Yeah, they painted over their standard 3D animation with some 2D textures. [01:01:55] Speaker A: Did you see Wish? [01:01:57] Speaker C: No, but I will also. That's one of those movies where, again, I haven't seen it, but I will talk my shit. The original concept for Wish is much better than what they ended up doing. The, like, there was supposed to be, like, this, like, entire other character who is like this star boy that is like, you know, like a magical girl, but he's like a boy and he's [01:02:21] Speaker A: like a man in the wiki. [01:02:24] Speaker C: Yeah. And it was. It was originally, like, a much different concept. And then they went the direction that they went. [01:02:31] Speaker A: There's. [01:02:32] Speaker B: There's. [01:02:32] Speaker A: Yeah. I will say the Frozen era is the start of a lot of these prop projects that have been in development for so long, either getting complete reworks or just changed just enough that they could put it out and actually does pretty decently. Like, I mean, Frozen again, was in development hell for fucking ever literally made. [01:02:53] Speaker C: Well, they wanted to do. I mean, Walt Disney originally wanted to do an adaptation of the Snow Queen. [01:02:58] Speaker A: Yeah. Makes sense. [01:03:00] Speaker C: Like, you know, it obviously has undergone major changes from the source material, but from what I saw from, like, the leaked trailer of the third one, it seems like they are taking what originally was supposed to be Elsa's arc in the first movie because she was supposed to be a lot more villain y. And also, I'm pretty sure not even related to Anna. Yeah, but they obviously changed that. And then. So I think that that's kind of what they're doing in the third one, because whatever powers that villain has can hurt Elsa because it cuts her cheek and her, like, ice can't hurt her. So, you know, I'm very interested to see where they're gonna go with that. [01:03:39] Speaker A: If I will say, though, if the new evil Snow Queen in Frozen 3 has a female Olaf, we're gonna have to see how that goes. [01:03:48] Speaker C: Her name's gonna be Samantha. [01:03:49] Speaker A: Samantha. It would have been. It would have been played by Rebel Wilson like a decade ago. [01:03:54] Speaker C: Yeah. No, literally. I wonder who they're gonna. [01:03:58] Speaker A: But do you think Rachel Zegler. It's just Josh Gad, Josh Gann playing both roles. But do you think. Because the thing about the direct to DVD sequels, direct to video sequels, first, then dvd, is the fact that it feels like they exist in the 2000s specifically, because post Tarzan, they're in this weird spot of what do we do with our features? And then it becomes things like, you know, emperor's New Groove is in development for a while, and then it becomes Emperor's New Groove. And that does fine. It's beloved as well. Movie's great. But that movie was in development and changed a lot in its development time. And then that leads from Emperor's New Groove to Atlantis. And then I think the biggest offender, the biggest flop they had at the time, unfortunately, being Treasure Planet. [01:04:45] Speaker C: Yeah, Treasure Planet's a great movie that. [01:04:47] Speaker A: Treasure Planet's good. [01:04:48] Speaker C: And, like, it's a shame that I feel like a lot of those movies. Movies were kind of flops at the time, but now they're so fondly remembered by, like, our generation. [01:04:57] Speaker B: Yeah. I think a lot of us ended up with VHS of them. [01:05:00] Speaker C: Yeah. Put them on. [01:05:02] Speaker B: Because. [01:05:02] Speaker A: Yeah. Our generation, I think, is the first to really have all of it on white clamshells. Go through every single one that you had on vhs. Because my parents. My parents and my grandparents. I wouldn't say you're Disney. I guess they are Disney adults, but they're one of those people. They're like, yeah, I guess we like Disney, but we don't love them. And then you look at their VHS collection. It was practically all Disney. [01:05:23] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:05:23] Speaker A: But I think it was around that time where they were like, I was just young enough. We were just young enough that, like, they're not taking me to the theaters. And, like, maybe because it's like, my sister was just born and then my brother. And then it's just like. It's hard to take three kids to the theater. [01:05:37] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. That's why the direct to video, where the direct to. You know. [01:05:40] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:05:41] Speaker C: We're so popular, you could just buy it, take it home. [01:05:44] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:05:44] Speaker C: And put it on if you're a kid with the Kraft Mac and Cheese. [01:05:47] Speaker A: But I think once. Once. Once the hit film Dinosaur out outperformed Treasure Planet, which it did. [01:05:55] Speaker B: It was all 2D. [01:05:57] Speaker A: It outperformed Treasure Planet. It seemed like it became 2D became the already in development, but 2D became the now direct to video platform. [01:06:05] Speaker C: Wait, did Disney produce the Land Before Time? [01:06:08] Speaker A: No, that was Buena Vista, I think, [01:06:12] Speaker B: right before it got bought by Disney. [01:06:15] Speaker C: I was gonna say, I feel like. [01:06:16] Speaker A: Which is the most bitter move? The funniest. Like, you beat us at the box office in the 80s. Now you're ours. [01:06:22] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:06:23] Speaker A: Now watch it on Disney Plus. It was Bluth. Bluth, right after Disney, his first film, and then beat them and then never beat him again. Unfortunately. [01:06:32] Speaker C: I saw an Instagram post. It was like a screenshot of a tweet that was like. This guy was like, I keep trying to watch the Land Before Time with my son, but he keeps falling asleep after 20 minutes. So the only thing that he keeps saying he learned from the film is that dry horns don't play with long necks. [01:06:50] Speaker A: Oh, my gosh. [01:06:52] Speaker B: Racism wins. [01:06:53] Speaker A: Yeah, one of the. One of the April Fool's episodes. One of the April Fool's episodes should just be talking about every single Land Before Time as if it's a trilogy. [01:07:05] Speaker C: But yeah, I mean, Journey to Baby Big Waters Peak. [01:07:08] Speaker B: Gosh, I don't even remember which one is that. [01:07:10] Speaker C: That's got, like, the dolphin named Mo who's got that really annoying voice. [01:07:14] Speaker A: Don't you remember a dolphin? That's fucking crazy. [01:07:16] Speaker C: Yeah, they gotta. They gotta help him migrate. He's, like, abandoned or, like, separated from his family or something. [01:07:22] Speaker A: Imagine. [01:07:23] Speaker B: Certain. I. This podcast is Cinderella and Before Time films. But I only remember the first one. [01:07:29] Speaker A: Well, when you talk again, we've already established when you talk about a Disney staple like Cinderella, it's pretty straightforward. You're gonna go all over the place. Yeah, because to be honest, it's like going into Cinderella 2. It's the mindset of. Besides the hold being post 9 11, probably the. Probably one of the first Disney films post, like, a huge tragedy in the country. And it's like, Disney's not gonna make a film that's gonna really be jostled by that. But it is kind of wild to think, like, wouldn't this movie come out, like, right after. [01:07:58] Speaker C: I mean, they're arguably not even making a full film. For those of you who are listening, who haven't seen. Seen the second movie, it's not really a cohesive narrative. It's like three different vignettes that are tied together using a meta narrative device of. Fairy Godmother is putting together a book of stories to give to Cinderella. And the mice are making it because [01:08:19] Speaker A: at this point, we have a beauty and the Beast Christmas special with a possibility of an animated show. That never happens. Hercules gets a pilot but never gets a full show. No, Aladdin gets a full show. [01:08:32] Speaker C: Aladdin does. Aladdin also has a full. [01:08:35] Speaker A: Got a pilot in maybe one season. [01:08:38] Speaker C: I feel like it got one season. [01:08:40] Speaker A: Oh, it does, because it's. [01:08:41] Speaker C: Because there's a couple of different gods that are like in it that I remember that are not in the original. [01:08:47] Speaker A: But they also cross over with the Aladdin show. Yes, because I think towards the end of the Aladdin show, I think they go to Greece or. Or vice versa. And then he comes Agrabah and they do the whole. It's funny to think that the Hercules show is basically what Emperor's new School ends up being. [01:09:01] Speaker C: Yeah, dude, Emperor's new school is great. The Lilo and Stitch show was also fun. [01:09:07] Speaker A: I'm so glad to hear that you like Emperor's new School. Because anytime it's brought up, Adam despises that show. [01:09:12] Speaker C: That doesn't surprise me. No, I mean, listen, it's not great. [01:09:16] Speaker A: No. Yeah. [01:09:18] Speaker C: But I remember really liking characters in it. Like the girl who's in it, cuz she was kind of mean to Cusco. [01:09:24] Speaker A: Did Ariel. Did Little Mermaid get a show? [01:09:26] Speaker C: She did, yes. She did have a original show. Yeah. Which was very, like, very good actually. They really, I think. I mean, I watched obviously a few episodes of that. But like I remember there's like an episode with like a death mermaid. Like they do something with that. They do some body horror stuff with it. There's like a brain sponge that like eats people's brains in an episode. It's like very vicious looking. [01:09:52] Speaker A: Lion King gets Simba's Pride, which I believe has to be one of the most expensive of them because they brought back Matthew Broderick for Simba and decided we're just gonna do Romeo and Juliet with lions. And then it's wild to think how long it took them to do a Lion King show. Well, actually they did Timon and Pumbaa. They did Timon and Pumbaa show. Then Simba's Pride. And then years later they did the Lion Guard, which I think. [01:10:14] Speaker C: Yes, the Lion Guard. [01:10:15] Speaker A: Do you know who the Lion Guard is? That is like a Disney Junior show. Yes, like that is. That is David O. Yelowo plays Scars Ghost in that show. [01:10:24] Speaker C: Yes, Scars Ghost, isn't it? [01:10:26] Speaker A: I remember also I just did five psychic damage to Andy and it was fantastic telling him that fact. Oh, man. Oh shit. But like, yeah, all these different Disney, popular Disney properties are getting sequels. Even Bambi Gets a sequel at some point. [01:10:45] Speaker B: Brother bear gets revenge. [01:10:47] Speaker A: Yeah. Baby's Revenge. And so, of course, if you're. Yeah, they got the second one. Yeah. [01:10:54] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:10:55] Speaker A: And then it's just like, why not just make what happens after the wedding day Cinderella film? [01:11:00] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:11:01] Speaker A: And it. If you think it was just that, you'd be like, well, that's got to be an easy slam dunk for them. It's not really just that. It's like Kelsey said, it's like three vignettes. [01:11:11] Speaker C: It's three short little tales that are all tied together using, you know, all different writers. [01:11:18] Speaker B: Feels more like they wanted to make a series and. [01:11:21] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:11:21] Speaker B: But couldn't commit because they also. [01:11:24] Speaker A: It's. Again, with Cinderella, it's one of those things where, like, I think it's like, [01:11:28] Speaker B: how big is this world, really? [01:11:29] Speaker C: Yeah, well, because, like, I mean, so it's Picks up right after the first story that they're telling. Picks up right after the prince and Cinderella get back from their honeymoon, and he already has to leave again. [01:11:42] Speaker B: But he's only gone for, like, destroy more nations. [01:11:44] Speaker A: Right. [01:11:44] Speaker C: He's only gone for, like, the two days that it's gonna take for her to plan this banquet. [01:11:48] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:11:49] Speaker C: Even though they're packing, like, paintings, suits of armor, all of this stuff is like, obviously gag. But, like, yeah, you know, he's packing to go, and he goes away for two days while she. She basically has Princess 101. And she's like, you need to know the difference between this shade of white and this shade of white. She's like, I need to be true to myself. [01:12:08] Speaker A: Somebody in a boardroom during the Cinderella 2 pitch meeting in the corner room just raised their hand and goes, why can't they just have. She can't have another evil stepmom. And two women that are kind of mean to them. They're not evil. They're just ambivalent to her. [01:12:24] Speaker C: Yeah. They're kind of. They really take a step back in this second one. [01:12:28] Speaker A: They're like, my word. You like people. You can't talk to the poor people outside the gate. Were you poor? And she's like, yes. [01:12:37] Speaker C: And she's like, I was. [01:12:38] Speaker A: I was. [01:12:39] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:12:39] Speaker C: I was a commoner. [01:12:41] Speaker A: Practically a slave. [01:12:42] Speaker C: Right. [01:12:42] Speaker A: My evil stepmom. [01:12:43] Speaker B: Right. [01:12:44] Speaker C: Well. And she also points out. She's like that. Well, in. You know, whatever laws are happening within the kingdom itself are very interesting because they invite every eligible maid in. In the kingdom to attend the ball in the first one, but they're not going to open the gates for anybody. In the second film. Although, like I said, they kind of take back a lot of what they do in the second movie with the third one. [01:13:08] Speaker A: The first vignette is Cinderella's first kind [01:13:11] Speaker C: of couple days in the castle. She has to plan a banquet for something. [01:13:18] Speaker A: She's like, nobody likes me, but you know what? I have to be me. [01:13:21] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:13:21] Speaker A: The prince married me because he loved me. [01:13:23] Speaker C: And small feet. [01:13:24] Speaker A: Everyone goes, well, yes, her small feet and her evil stepsisters with her size 13 shoes. Because. Yeah. Don't they say she's a size 5 Cinderella? [01:13:36] Speaker C: So they say a size 4 and a half, which is interesting because women's shoe sizes, if we're going based on American shoe sizes, are very interesting because kids sizes go up to, like, what is technically a five. But a girl's four and a half, in quote women's unquote, is equivalent to a woman's six and a half, which is not that small. That's not that tiny. [01:13:58] Speaker A: And yet her. She's got, like. Basically looks like a porcelain doll. [01:14:01] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:14:02] Speaker C: But like, her. Yeah, they, like, hang her slipper off of, like, somebody's finger at one point, and it, like, is the size of his finger. So, yeah, she. I mean, probably has extremely idiosyncras bitty baby feet. [01:14:14] Speaker A: I. I got the most reaction when I said that. [01:14:16] Speaker C: Yeah. Well, because the set, the ones that we use for the princess coming, we have a couple different sizes, but the ones that I wore were like a five, and they were kind of small, but they're not. They're just uncomfortable. Like PVC plastic. [01:14:29] Speaker A: Oh, gosh. What they were putting you through. Yeah. You're like, what would. [01:14:33] Speaker C: They were. They were torturing us. [01:14:35] Speaker A: What would Ella do? [01:14:37] Speaker C: What would Ella charge? What did Ella Charmond get Those Veterans Bowl. [01:14:42] Speaker A: The second vignette is Jacques wants to be helpful, so he wishes to become human. [01:14:47] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:14:49] Speaker A: And he just looks. [01:14:50] Speaker B: He looks like Ichabod Crane. [01:14:52] Speaker C: He genuinely looks exactly like Ichabod Crane. [01:14:55] Speaker A: He looks like Ichabod Crane. It's like if you turn Timothee Chalamet into Jacques and then you turn that back into a person, and it doesn't look like Timothy Chalamet anymore. It just looks like a movie mouse version. [01:15:05] Speaker C: You asked, like, two different people to do the transformation. [01:15:08] Speaker A: And for some reason, even though Cinderella knows the fairy godmother, because it's the only reason why she gets married is because she gets the chance to go to the ball because of her. Jacques never tells Cinderella that she's just. He's just the mouse by a human [01:15:22] Speaker C: well, he wants to a couple different times, but he can never find the right time to let her know he's trying to be helpful and is just screwing everything up. [01:15:33] Speaker A: Yeah. She's got princessing to do. [01:15:36] Speaker C: And then that's when he learns the lesson. You are more helpful to her just being yourself. Which is, I guess, ultimately the lesson across all three of these vignettes is just be yourself. Because that brings us to our third in, which inspires the entire third film, even though they kind of retcon each other back and forth a little bit. [01:15:56] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [01:15:57] Speaker C: Because the third one is Anastasia's. [01:15:59] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:15:59] Speaker C: Is her redemption arc. She falls in love with the baker that is in the town. [01:16:04] Speaker A: She gets slammed down baguette style. [01:16:07] Speaker C: Yeah. By our lovely. I also appreciate that they made her love interest chubby. He's a bigger guy. He's cute, he's charming, he's sweet. He owns his own business. Owns his own land, probably. [01:16:24] Speaker A: Sure. Yeah. [01:16:25] Speaker C: You know. Yeah. She could do worse. [01:16:30] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:16:31] Speaker A: Yeah. It is. It is funny how the. The most popular story out of the three of these is, in fact, hers, because it's like, giving. Humanizing her. [01:16:40] Speaker C: Yeah. I literally entirely forgot what, like, the plot of the other two were, because it's been. I've seen the first movie, like, a lot more recently than I had seen the other two when we watched these, but I. It had been like I. It had been since I was a child. And that was the one that I remembered. I didn't even remember the one where Jockey transformed into a human. [01:16:58] Speaker B: I was gonna say. [01:16:58] Speaker A: I told. I told you both we were watching it. I saw the commercial for this all the time. [01:17:03] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [01:17:03] Speaker A: Because there's the whole. [01:17:04] Speaker C: There's that one line with the prince. [01:17:07] Speaker A: I hope one day I'll become a better good at this princess thing. [01:17:10] Speaker C: And I think that day is today. [01:17:12] Speaker A: That scene is. When that happened, it was like Manchurian Candidate. Like, Kill John Lennon just fucking popped into my head. I'm like, what the fuck? Which film did I watch over and over again that had this preview. Yeah. I mean, Anastasia's whole story is pretty straightforward in terms of it just being a pseudo original Cinderella plot. But now Cinderella gets to help kind of put that together and give Anastasia some newfound confidence. [01:17:40] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:17:40] Speaker C: She gives her, like, a bit of a makeover in the sense that, like, she more so dresses her down a little bit. She's like, you don't have to. [01:17:47] Speaker B: Teaches her to smile. [01:17:48] Speaker C: Right. You don't have to wear so much makeup. You don't have to, you know, do all of this. You know, he's a humble, humble baker. [01:17:56] Speaker A: We should also say, in case it wasn't very clear that the original voice actors are not involved. [01:18:00] Speaker C: No. [01:18:00] Speaker A: In the video film. [01:18:02] Speaker C: I'm gonna look at them. Pretty sure that. [01:18:05] Speaker A: Because Cinderella is very old. Yes. Cinderella is Jennifer Hale, who's an iconic voice actress who's been in hundreds of things at this point. I mean, if you like video games. Female Commander Shepard is one of her most iconic. She's also in Bioshock Infinite. The Prince Charming in both two and three is played by Christopher Daniel Barnes, who our parents would know as the oldest Brady boy. I think Greg Brady in the Brady Bunch. While Andy and I. I don't know if you would know the skillset we kind of talked about at the time, but he played Peter Parker, aka Spider man in the 90s show. [01:18:40] Speaker C: Oh, okay. [01:18:41] Speaker A: So that was like his big thing. [01:18:42] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:18:44] Speaker A: If he's not in beyond the Spider verse, I will be sad. But it won't kill the film for me. It would be cool to see him pop it, but. [01:18:50] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:18:51] Speaker A: And then we have, of course, Rob Paulson as Jacques, icon of 90s and [01:18:56] Speaker B: 2000s and today animation. [01:18:59] Speaker A: The Animaniacs, Pinky in the Brain, classic Warner Brothers cartoons. He's Carl Wheezer and Jimmy Neutron, basically. Him and a bunch of other iconic voice actors kind of fill in the gaps of, like, the King, the Duke. [01:19:13] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:19:14] Speaker A: Do a great job. Honestly, it's hilarious. Because you can tell Jacques and Gus's voice are different. Not even just because it's been 50 years, but because you can understand them more immediately. Out the gate, we can hear full sentences and we're like, this is not at all what the original film is. [01:19:29] Speaker C: I would need to look up. Cause the woman who plays who voices the original Lady Tremaine in the original one also voices a couple of other Disney villains. She's. Oh, gosh. I think she's Madame Leroni or whatever [01:19:46] Speaker A: her name is in Haunted Mansion. [01:19:48] Speaker C: I think so. Yeah. And she also voices Malefice and. Yeah, maybe Madame Leota. But like in the really old one, [01:19:59] Speaker A: perhaps not the Jared Leto. [01:20:01] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. [01:20:05] Speaker B: That was the original. [01:20:06] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [01:20:08] Speaker C: Or something like that. Yeah. She voices a couple of different Disney villains. They're, like, elegant and dark. [01:20:15] Speaker A: But the cast. I think the cast does a good job, especially in three. But two and three, they got more to shine, but they. [01:20:21] Speaker C: Clearly, the Prince carries the third movie. [01:20:24] Speaker B: Prince is finally a character. [01:20:26] Speaker C: Yeah. He gets a lot of. [01:20:27] Speaker A: You know, you would think it's an eye roll. To say that the prince steals a Cinderella film, but three, he really is. He does add a lot of fun. It's where the most iconic bit of the sequels comes out, which is the. I forbid you to take any more steps out this time. Okay. Jumps. Literally just. [01:20:45] Speaker B: Yeah. Head first out the window. [01:20:47] Speaker C: Well, because, yeah, I mean, just quick little synopsis of the third. It feels like it picks up right where the first one left off to me, because it doesn't feel like any of the events that we saw in the second one, at least regarding Anastasia specifically, have happened because she's back at the house that they grew up in, doing laundry, doing all of Cinderella's chores or whatever, and goes off into the woods and sees the little like, you know, dinner and a show set up that fairy godmother has set up for the prince and Cinderella's first year anniversary, which, you know, I also pointed this out earlier. No kids yet, no baby bump to be seen. And it's been over a year. [01:21:24] Speaker A: He's. He's busy with war. She's got so many balls to do. [01:21:29] Speaker C: And so then she steals the fairy godmother's wand, takes it back home, and then they use it to turn back time and essentially rewrite the events of the first movie. [01:21:42] Speaker A: Yeah. If anything, I guess if you want to say at the end of Cinderella 2, the Baker and Anastasia had some issues and so they didn't stay together. And that could lead into three. [01:21:52] Speaker C: That's not a Disney. This is a Disney film that doesn't happen. We don't break up here. [01:21:57] Speaker A: Yeah. And at the end of Cinderella 3, it almost implies that they had never met until the end of three. [01:22:01] Speaker C: Yeah. Which is why I kind of think that the events of the. The second one, Loki, kind of like some of them took place after the third. [01:22:08] Speaker A: You could pretend it's the third if [01:22:10] Speaker C: you want, because she gets redeemed and then she wants to go find maybe [01:22:14] Speaker B: the twist in time messed up the timeline. Ripple effects that. [01:22:19] Speaker C: Well, like. Yeah, see, I kind of thought that too. But it like, is just the fact that like at the beginning of the third one, before they even do anything with the timey, whiny stuff, she's like, you know, back where she started. [01:22:31] Speaker B: Maybe at the beginning of the movie, we're already seeing effects. [01:22:36] Speaker C: Who knows? This could be like the second time they've tried to do this. [01:22:39] Speaker A: I will give props, though, to the fairy godmother actress in the sequels because she plays it, I think, exactly how the original plays it, where it's like it's Your long, long distant aunt who's three drinks in but can't tell you because you're too young to know what that is. She really just has the fact that the whole third film basically happens because she gets a little too. Little too flamboyant, little too fun, and she throws her magic wand out of her head. [01:23:04] Speaker B: It's also funny because that actress Russie Taylor also plays Drizella, Mary Mouse, Beatrice, Countess Legrand, and Daphne. [01:23:14] Speaker A: Nice. [01:23:14] Speaker B: So she's, like working the whole cast. She and Rob Paulson pretty much round out the support. [01:23:20] Speaker A: Anastasia's also Matt Groening standard staple. [01:23:25] Speaker B: She's Simpsons. [01:23:26] Speaker A: She's in Futurama. That's how I knew I was like, she has to be in Futurama. Yeah, she's in a bunch of stuff. And she comes back for pretty much the cast from two comes back into three. [01:23:36] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:23:37] Speaker A: And it was like, what, five years? [01:23:39] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:23:40] Speaker A: Again, it's kind of fascinating to think because I think for the longest time, you think like, all right, you make one Disney direct to video sequel, and there's no show. Okay, well, you made a sequel. I guess you can just do other shit. While I guess you could make the Mickey Three Musketeers, which they definitely did after that film, do other shit if you want to. And ultimately they decided, no, we want to do a time travel story. We think it'd be fun. [01:24:05] Speaker C: And I think it works. [01:24:06] Speaker A: I do too. I think surprisingly well. [01:24:09] Speaker B: I think part of the reason it works is it's. It's timey. Why me? It's not so much time travel as it is. It's like rewinding the timeline. [01:24:20] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, because they go back in time and they make it a point that the fairy or not the fairy godmother, that the evil stepmother says, we are the only three people who know that this happened. [01:24:31] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:24:32] Speaker C: So, like, even Cinderella doesn't know. And the prince, they don't know that they've also been sent back in time. So, like, you know, when she. She's trying to come down the stairs, she has already changed the slipper using magic to make it fit Anastasia. So now everybody thinks that Anastasia is the one. And then she changes the prince's memory, which is also a very interesting, like, plot point. [01:24:55] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:24:56] Speaker C: It's like, how much. How much magic and mind control does this fairy godmother actually have? [01:25:02] Speaker B: Insanely powerful. [01:25:03] Speaker A: He's so nice. [01:25:04] Speaker C: She's so op. [01:25:04] Speaker A: He's so nice to Anastasia where they tell him, like, she's the girl who wears the slipper. Is here and she shows up. He's like, oh, I'm so sorry. [01:25:11] Speaker B: There must be. [01:25:12] Speaker A: There must be two different slippers. [01:25:14] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [01:25:15] Speaker C: He's so polite, though. He's such a sweet boy. [01:25:18] Speaker A: It feels like for a little bit, three almost hurt a lot of people. Where? I guess a complaint you could have with the original Cinderella is the fact that the love story aspect is pretty moot. It's pretty straightforward. It's like it's love at first sight, basically. They dance well. [01:25:32] Speaker C: It's fairy tale shorthand. [01:25:33] Speaker A: Yeah. And so it's almost like if you do a sequel. [01:25:36] Speaker B: I think what Logan's trying to say, Kelsey, is that we need to reevaluate Cinderella through a feminist. [01:25:41] Speaker C: Right, yeah, sorry. We need to do the BuzzFeed thing, [01:25:44] Speaker A: which is why I'm so glad she built a washing machine in three to show how intelligent she is. No, but I think three does this thing where it's very interesting how it goes. It's almost like telling people for years being like, they met one night and literally got married the next day. That's not real love. And three almost implies, like, no, no, no. The prince knows just by touching somebody's hand whether it's Cinderella or not. There's something even to the point where the magic nearly gets canceled out the first time they meet when this, like, when they touch. [01:26:17] Speaker C: True love is the most powerful force of all in these movies. And that's the thing that I think [01:26:22] Speaker B: people need to tried to tell us. Stellar love is a fourth dimension. Yeah. [01:26:27] Speaker A: But only cunt magic can hold it back. [01:26:30] Speaker C: Yeah. Well, yeah. I mean, true love is the greatest force of all in most Disney fairy tales. And I think that's the thing that a lot of people miss when they try to analyze these movies. It's like people talk about Snow White and the issues with that, and they're like, oh, this creepy guy is just. And I'm like, no, they are in love. They fell in love at first sight. They sing a whole song together. [01:26:54] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:26:55] Speaker C: Then she goes off into the woods and she eats the apple and she dies and all of this stuff. [01:26:59] Speaker B: But, like, do you accept the premise of the film or not? [01:27:01] Speaker C: Right. It's like you either are accepting this movie, going, like, it's like you. It's. I don't know, it's like watching it like an anime and then, like, getting pissed off when they do, like, anime tropes and, like, all this other stuff. [01:27:11] Speaker B: And it's like you kind of react. [01:27:13] Speaker C: Yeah. It's like you have to accept what this is going into it or you're just gonna have a bad time. [01:27:18] Speaker A: See the Kizumonogatari trilogy, we just did really confirm that. Yeah, but I mean. Yeah, it's like at a certain point, it is. Disney sometimes at its best, especially even in a modern sense, is just as straightforward as possible. Not overdoing anything, maybe just flexing, adding [01:27:38] Speaker B: a little bit of flavor to characters just to give them more. [01:27:42] Speaker C: Well, I mean, every recent Disney princess also just kind of has the same adorable personality. [01:27:47] Speaker B: Yes. [01:27:48] Speaker A: Yeah. And also just like not focusing as much on the music. There is music in three, but two has a soundtrack that they're doing their absolute damnedest. But it's the most direct to video. This is not. [01:28:00] Speaker B: It's like. [01:28:00] Speaker C: It's very much like this is what's happening in the plug. [01:28:04] Speaker B: This is what's happening. A very direct lyrically and. And musically sounds like very off. Like very, very zero calorie kind of 90s. [01:28:17] Speaker C: It's like the. [01:28:23] Speaker B: Yeah, it's got like this weird kind of fake country twang to it. [01:28:28] Speaker C: Some of them. Yeah, they. [01:28:29] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [01:28:29] Speaker A: Which a lot of the direct videos. [01:28:31] Speaker C: I miss the transatlantic accents a little bit. [01:28:34] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:28:35] Speaker A: And to go into three, there's a single song. No, there's two songs. There's the Cinderella song and then there's the Jacques and Gus song. [01:28:43] Speaker C: Yeah. Cinderella was the maiden at the bar. [01:28:46] Speaker A: Because I remember because I brought this up, didn't want to bum everybody out, but it had to be said that the song that is sung at the be at the majority of the film is kind of redone for the credit song, which is sung by the most recently deceased Hayden Pentier. And it was kind of just like wild watching this be like. Oh, my God. [01:29:06] Speaker C: Yeah. Because. [01:29:07] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, I think she died a day or two before we watched. [01:29:10] Speaker A: Yes. It was. It was a little too close where I was like, are you fucking kidding me? Oh, my God. [01:29:15] Speaker C: I just rewatched Ice Princess. [01:29:18] Speaker A: Good movie. [01:29:18] Speaker B: Good movie. [01:29:20] Speaker A: Both. God, both of them passed. [01:29:22] Speaker C: Fucking. [01:29:22] Speaker A: I forgot about Michelle Trachtenberg too. [01:29:24] Speaker B: Oh, fuck. [01:29:25] Speaker C: Very sad. [01:29:26] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, but it's just at least when it comes to the musical aspects of three, they. They at least know people might expect a song or two. Let's. Let's just pretend that people really like the music from two. I feel like we have to, like, at least have a song so. Because again, I think at the time too, Panettiere was like, trying to start as a singer. [01:29:45] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:29:45] Speaker A: This is way. [01:29:46] Speaker C: Every girly was doing it in that era. [01:29:48] Speaker A: And this is way. I think this is her in her Ice Princess era. Or a little bit after that. [01:29:52] Speaker C: A little bit Ice Princess. I feel like. Actually, why do I feel like Ice princess is like an 03 movie? I feel like. I feel like I literally just watched it, like, two weeks ago and I was kind of surprised by, like, the year that it came out. [01:30:07] Speaker A: This is. This is. This is a real me thing because it's because Michelle Trachtenberg is an Inspector gadget. And that's 99. [01:30:14] Speaker C: And then she's also a Euro trip, which is like a vehemently different vibe. [01:30:18] Speaker A: God, she is in Eurotrip. That movie is bonkers. I think I have a video of me crying to that film because of the scene. The scene where the kid pretends to be Hitler. [01:30:29] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:30:30] Speaker B: Okay. [01:30:31] Speaker A: There's just a little blonde kid who puts, like, a little Hitler mustache on his finger and then just see Kyle's in the background. And I just. That movie's a wild fucking film. Not great, but bonkers at times. But, yeah, that's because. Yeah, because Ice princess would probably be 03.04 in 2005. Because I remember when they put that on television, I was in Texas with my family because I watched that on television. [01:30:58] Speaker C: But one of my favorite movies growing up, I had it on dvd. I got it for my birthday. That's very good. [01:31:07] Speaker A: The I, Tonya of Disney films. But I mean, with three, it just. It really does immediately get. Gets you into what the whole thing is and doesn't really stress that everyone's gonna be like, what's going on? Something feels weird. Like, immediately as the mice hear that the evil stepmom has fucked something up, they're like, oh, it's gotta be. It's the wand. She did something. [01:31:30] Speaker C: She did something fucking with the wand. [01:31:31] Speaker A: Something's weird. [01:31:33] Speaker B: Well, the mice are throughout. All these mice are like, the observers. They're the ones who, like, pay attention to shit that's going down. [01:31:40] Speaker C: They're our way in. [01:31:41] Speaker A: Yeah. They're also the action. The action. [01:31:44] Speaker C: They. Well, they also, like, can literally get around through the walls. [01:31:48] Speaker B: Right. [01:31:49] Speaker C: Which is very helpful. [01:31:50] Speaker B: If the walls could talk, they'd be mice. [01:31:52] Speaker C: Yeah. Which is helpful for moving exposition around because you can follow a character and it feels more personal and more, like, in touch with, like, you know, what's actually happening. But they also, like. They literally observe her using. Using the wand. And they're like, okay, well, we need to do the exact same heist that we did in the first one and get it out of her pocket. [01:32:12] Speaker A: And I gotta say, For a sequel, it does get away with, you know, kind of redoing a lot of the hits from the original film. We'll invert it in enough where it's like the pumpkin's a nasty little pumpkin that turns into a carriage. Yeah, Lucifer. Lucifer looks up when they turn him into a little man. [01:32:30] Speaker C: Yeah, that. [01:32:31] Speaker A: He just like this little character. [01:32:32] Speaker C: He looks like a. Yeah, he looks like the. The one, like, character in Oliver and Company. [01:32:39] Speaker A: He also looks like Lefou a little bit. [01:32:40] Speaker C: A little bit. [01:32:41] Speaker A: It's like, in between, it's. Yeah, he. Yeah, he looks like the grubby hot dog guy from Oliver and Company as [01:32:46] Speaker B: well as Lefou the grubby hot dog. [01:32:48] Speaker C: One thing I appreciated, though, about the third one was that it doesn't, like. I don't know, it doesn't cleanly resolve the first time that you think it's going to. There are several setbacks that they go through and that they have to, like, resolve. And so, you know at the end of the movie when the fairy godmother is like, I can send you back to your original lives. Which they're like, original, but, like, she's even able to see, like, no, actually, the bond that you guys have now is clearly greater than even the true love at first sight thing that happened to you in the first movie because you have been through trials and tribulations. [01:33:25] Speaker A: It was crazy where fairy godmother pulled out a chalk board and did like, the Doc Brown from Back to the future 2. This is universe A where nothing went wrong and then the stepmom kind of things up and now we're in B. Do you want to go back to A? I can do that for you. It's like, no, just because you fucked up and you threw your wand and you were a little tipsy. I think we've earned what we got. [01:33:45] Speaker C: Well, extremely hilarious, too, that after the mice explain it to him the second time and he goes and finds her and he literally says, cinderelli, will you marry me? And she has to be like, yes, but by the way, it's Cinderella. [01:34:00] Speaker A: It's so funny how it is kind of like you had taken in the fact that the prince is so smitten by her. But of course, she's a mysterious presence the entire film. So it's just like, oh, of course, when the mice call her Cinderella, that's the only time anyone said her name. Because I think even this evil stepmom, when Cinderella tries to run away with her wand and then gets caught, she just calls her that evil maid but she never says his name. [01:34:24] Speaker C: She doesn't say her name. [01:34:25] Speaker A: Yeah, she knows. She does know. And I'll also say if anything with three, another thing that they didn't have to do, which I think adds a lot to it as well, is the whole Anastasia King relationship. [01:34:37] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:34:37] Speaker A: Very fascinating to have. Kind of like. I think so the King one. It kind of implies the King's a bottom, which we completely understand because he. Yeah, he had a red headed baddie that was twice his height. [01:34:48] Speaker C: Oh yeah. [01:34:49] Speaker A: And also was the first time ever seen. [01:34:51] Speaker B: Aged way better than him or was like 20 years younger than him, you know. [01:34:55] Speaker A: Well, it's the time. [01:34:57] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:34:57] Speaker A: She wasn't afraid to have a child in the first year. [01:35:00] Speaker C: She clearly got. Yeah, she clearly got on that. But she. Yeah, I thought that like everything we saw about. Cause he was, you know, kind of a gag character in the first one. [01:35:09] Speaker A: Like you said, he just wanted babies to be pumped into Cinderella so he could have grandkids. [01:35:15] Speaker C: I think that we get some good development with him and I think that the moments that he has with Anastasia are really touching. I think it was interesting to choose a seashell as his. [01:35:26] Speaker A: That was really cute. [01:35:27] Speaker C: Symbol of true love. I think that was very cute. [01:35:30] Speaker B: For the briefest of moments, I thought they were gonna go romantic between. [01:35:36] Speaker C: Between the two. I did make that joke while we were watching. I was like, now enter the controversial age gap relationship. [01:35:42] Speaker A: She is a redhead. [01:35:43] Speaker B: Right. They're establishing dump your baker, go for the King. [01:35:47] Speaker A: It actually is funny because the King. Because Anastasia just constantly is fucking up the entire film because she's the goofy, evil stepsister. Evil, but she's the goofy stepsister. [01:35:56] Speaker C: She's the family. [01:35:56] Speaker A: Yeah, she's doing. She's doing food fights. [01:35:58] Speaker C: Redheaded stepchild. [01:35:59] Speaker A: Food fights with Drizella. And is clearly not the pretty one in most people's perception of what the prince would fall for. But clearly because she's a redhead and she's sweet, he just goes, you remind me of the prince's mom. And then leads to the only moment they really have. But then it leads to the very end where he gives her the seashell anyway, even though she's not getting married. [01:36:24] Speaker C: Well, because also at that point he too. So it's the fact that he has a moment alone with her where they're able to have a discussion. But he also at that point firmly believes that. That this is the woman that his son is in love with. [01:36:37] Speaker B: That's true. [01:36:38] Speaker C: So like he is going. He's coming at it from that angle. In addition to you remind me of my deceased wife. [01:36:44] Speaker A: Because the film almost has three different endings and it's honestly fine. But it's just funny how it keeps finding new ways to keep it going where they finally. They get Cinderella, they're gonna get married. The evil stepmom and the sisters have been caught, or at least they've been found out, but they go invisible. [01:36:59] Speaker C: They turn invisible and then transform Anastasia of physically, like, into. They do like some kind of glamour magic. [01:37:06] Speaker A: She's. She's hot now and she's gonna take your husband. She's a hot blonde, she looks just like you. And she. Even though she doesn't sound like you, it's fine. [01:37:13] Speaker C: Yeah, she still has that nasally. [01:37:15] Speaker A: Nasally, yeah. And then of course, that's when they kidnap Cinderella and they do probably a claustrophobic worst nightmare, which is being shoved in a pocket. [01:37:24] Speaker C: Arguably body horror esque. That's like the creepy. I really enjoyed that scene there. I was like, wow, they should do again. [01:37:31] Speaker A: Another thing that I will give the film props when the fairy godmother turns everybody into the horse, into the people. Like when Bruno turns into a person, it's a lot cleaner than it probably should. Turning a dog into a human. [01:37:42] Speaker C: Well, yeah, I mean, she turns the mice into the horses, she turns the horse into the stagecoach, and then Bruno becomes the footman. [01:37:52] Speaker A: But I think the evil stepmom, when she turns things into, like when she turns Lucifer into a person, it looks wrong. It's violent. [01:37:58] Speaker C: It looks wrong. [01:37:59] Speaker A: Violent and wrong. [01:38:00] Speaker C: Well, because she's evil. And the magic itself, I pointed out, is green, which is like a big Disney coding for evil. [01:38:08] Speaker A: Someone got their holiday bonus early for deciding that it's green magic. [01:38:12] Speaker B: Well, I just, I think in that vein with the transformations and everything and kind of the creativity of the pumpkin sequence, I just feel like 3, 100 lot of points for me, because it felt like it was showing out. The animators were showing out in a way that felt kind of true to the first one. Because I think the second film is a really dull looking movie. [01:38:33] Speaker C: It's like, oh, yeah. I think that that's like. I think that that is actually one of the first movies that they made using that animation style where it's like painted instead of like the, you know, [01:38:43] Speaker A: at that point they adjust, at least picks. Will Pixar, of course, had existed by that point, but they also started using CG for Tarzan and for other kind of their feature films. So they were also kind of finding other ways to use it in their direct to video as well, as kind [01:38:58] Speaker B: of cut costs, three is just a lot more vibrant than two. And it has a lot more fun with doing the kinds of things that, like, the first film did. Things transforming before your eyes. And it's fully animated. Yeah. [01:39:12] Speaker A: The action sequence on the carriage is a lot more extended than I expected and is actually kind of fun. [01:39:17] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:39:18] Speaker A: Octavius does a great little moment in that. [01:39:21] Speaker C: I think that the. The scene where the carriage breaks down in the first one impressed me a lot more than I remember it. Like, the way that it happens is really, really. [01:39:30] Speaker A: When we were rewatching the first one, I was like. I think when you brought up earlier the. The spinning shoe on the finger, that's where I was like, are you fucking kidding me? [01:39:36] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:39:37] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:39:37] Speaker A: That's such a fluid. It's so fluid in a way that it's, like, disgusting. Yeah. That's what I think of the Coraline's dad of the world, who just, like, painstakingly in a dark room with a light. [01:39:48] Speaker C: Well, they're doing so many creative things with the first one, too. Like, I pointed out to you guys while we were watching it that the scene where she sings, like, the nightingale song while she's, like, scrubbing the floors and the bubbles are going and all of that stuff, they layered her own voice over each other to harmonize during that scene. And it's like. Because, like, all of the different. Bubbles. [01:40:07] Speaker A: Bubbles. [01:40:08] Speaker B: And you pointed out the Mickey. The Mickey bubble, the hidden Mickey. [01:40:13] Speaker A: And I like to think Walt Disney didn't know about the hidden Mickeys when they opened that film. To be like, who the fuck did [01:40:18] Speaker C: that put in there? [01:40:20] Speaker A: Who did that? You're not getting a bonus. But I. Color me impressed. He just pissed off every time. Who put that in there? I didn't ask for that. [01:40:29] Speaker C: It's like a contest to see who can put the most Mickeys without Walt noticing. [01:40:34] Speaker A: It's like we go back to, like, [01:40:35] Speaker B: the 80s, angrier and angrier with each film. [01:40:37] Speaker A: We go back to the 80s and 90s and realize there are a lot of scenes that just say Jeffrey Katzenberg in the background, and they're just getting away with it. It's like, who the is that? [01:40:46] Speaker B: Credits roll on Sleeping Beauty. He's like, I didn't see a single Mickey in there. But I know they're everywhere. [01:40:52] Speaker C: I know they're there. Yeah, there's a lot in Frozen that, like, are very, very hidden. Third Street, Extremely hidden. There's, like, some that are in the snow patterns that she, like, uses with her magic. It's Crazy. [01:41:05] Speaker A: I'm not gonna say it. [01:41:07] Speaker C: Say it. [01:41:08] Speaker B: God. [01:41:08] Speaker A: Dude, it's an Olaf's balls. That's all I was gonna say. It's his junk. Look at this hidden Mickey. It's just like anatomically correct on this Snowman. It's like 2013. All these kids are crying for a second. [01:41:25] Speaker B: Did you guys catch a hidden Mickey in either of these? [01:41:28] Speaker A: No, I didn't. I'll be. Not that I can recall, I'll be honest. [01:41:33] Speaker C: But I also don't know if they [01:41:35] Speaker B: really, like, did that for the direct. [01:41:37] Speaker C: Care to do that? Yeah. In those ones. [01:41:40] Speaker B: Yeah. Maybe it's like if you're on the JV team doing the direct video, you're not allowed to do hidden. [01:41:45] Speaker C: Yeah, I know that there are a lot. [01:41:47] Speaker A: There's a bullet point, but beat to beat. You only work. [01:41:50] Speaker B: Work this money out hiring an animator. Like the job listing says, no hidden. [01:41:55] Speaker A: You will be. [01:41:57] Speaker B: Oh, really? [01:41:58] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. They'll do in some live action ones. They'll do it in like, a lot of the modern ones have, like, really weird ones in it, though. They have them in the parks too, I imagine. [01:42:10] Speaker A: Is there a hidden Mickey on Maui's tattoos? I feel like that's probably. Yeah. [01:42:13] Speaker C: Actually, if I had to guess, that's where they would stick it. Or like something with coconuts. [01:42:18] Speaker B: Mickey hiding at the bottom of the urinal staring at you. God. [01:42:26] Speaker A: I mean, for a trilogy that we've. When we talk about Disney trilogies, I probably, again, I have more connection to when we did Aladdin that, like, you know, I watched Princess. I watched Princess Thieves a lot as well as the original Aladdin, and I never. [01:42:40] Speaker C: Is that the one with his dad or is that the third. [01:42:42] Speaker A: Yeah, that's the third one. [01:42:43] Speaker B: The third one, Yeah. [01:42:45] Speaker C: I just remember that because his, like, password to open the Cave of Wonders or secrets or whatever it is, is literally. Open sesame. [01:42:52] Speaker A: Yes. Yeah. The third one's with this dad. Because the big thing about. The big thing about the hot. His dad is hot. He's also. Isn't it? John Rhys Myers. Not Reese Myers. Yeah, John Reese Davies. Yeah. Because he's. Yeah, he looks. He looks just like Aladdin in all [01:43:09] Speaker C: but like, kind of old, like a little gray. [01:43:10] Speaker A: Like, he's probably fucking 32 canonically. Yeah, he's probably anime. Diagnosis. [01:43:16] Speaker C: Well, it's like we said, Cinderella's what, 19? Come on, girl. [01:43:20] Speaker A: Yeah, but I. [01:43:21] Speaker C: You should be dying in your third childbirth by now. [01:43:27] Speaker A: But in terms of Disney sequels, especially Disney trilogies that have kind of become trilogies in this century, when you know, [01:43:35] Speaker C: considering 72 years it's been. [01:43:37] Speaker A: I mean, to get to a point where, like, our grandparents and her parents watched Cinderella with no and no thought in their minds being like, oh, wonder if there was another one of these. [01:43:47] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:43:47] Speaker A: And then being adults, being like, what the. They're making a two and a three [01:43:51] Speaker B: and a twist in time. [01:43:53] Speaker A: Twist in time. The twist in time is it's been 70, 50 years. Why are we doing this? Yeah, 58. [01:44:00] Speaker C: 58 at that point. Yeah, almost. [01:44:03] Speaker A: But to be honest, I mean, even with the weakest One being Cinderella 2, it's not. I wouldn't even be mean to. It's not bad. [01:44:09] Speaker B: It's not good. [01:44:09] Speaker C: It's one of the stronger direct two video scenes. [01:44:14] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, it could be Aladdin 2. [01:44:16] Speaker C: It could be Aladdin 2. It Could Be Belle's Christmas. [01:44:20] Speaker A: It could be a hot take. I think Simba's Pride's probably at the same level for me as Cinderella 2. [01:44:25] Speaker B: I don't remember Cindamus Pride. [01:44:27] Speaker C: It's okay. [01:44:28] Speaker A: It's fine. Yeah. To me, I think I remember one [01:44:32] Speaker C: and doesn't need to exist. No. One and a half is better. It's much better, in my opinion. [01:44:37] Speaker B: Yeah. I just mean I remember it better. [01:44:39] Speaker C: Yeah, it's much better. Come. [01:44:41] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:44:42] Speaker A: Frozen Crans. [01:44:44] Speaker C: It's also one of those movies where I revisit it, like, with, like, a kid that I babysit. Because those aren't the movies I put on. Not the sequels, the originals. But I'll put one on with, like, a kid or whatever. And, like, I'll be like, these are a lot worse than I remember them being. But it's like you said at the beginning, Logan, like Cinderella, you watch it, you don't feel that way at all. [01:45:03] Speaker A: No. Yeah. [01:45:04] Speaker C: You watch it and you're like, this is still actually genuinely good. [01:45:07] Speaker A: And again, when you're a kid. When you're a kid, you just go like, oh, it's animated. Well, it was probably made yesterday. Like, you're not even thinking about the fact that just because they look different, [01:45:15] Speaker C: it's ahead of its time. [01:45:15] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:45:16] Speaker A: And it's with Cinderella, it just is such a classical. Especially now where nostalgia has been such a driving force with any kind of. Of property now just to watch Cinderella really just still nail it from 50 on. [01:45:29] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:45:30] Speaker A: And you even have a remake that is pretty well liked and was. Honestly, it hit the ground running before. [01:45:36] Speaker C: It wasn't the first, I don't think, but it was one of the first because it came out. I mean, it came out in 2015. [01:45:42] Speaker A: It came out right before Maleficent, which Maleficent was the big one. [01:45:46] Speaker C: And Maleficent was also like a big change though, to the original source material. I wouldn't even consider, however. [01:45:52] Speaker A: What you mean that [01:45:55] Speaker C: especially Maleficent 2. [01:45:57] Speaker A: Mrs. [01:45:57] Speaker B: Right. [01:45:58] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:45:58] Speaker A: Well, I. [01:45:59] Speaker C: Although I do remember really liking Maleficent when I originally saw it in theaters. [01:46:03] Speaker A: I just remember that because they had like a domestic violence kind of themat there is. [01:46:09] Speaker C: I mean, you know, trigger warning. There's like a sexual assault full on like plot line because he, well, he drugs her like the guy that she like knew as a child. He like comes to her as an adult. He drugs her, cuts her wings off. [01:46:23] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:46:24] Speaker C: And like she wakes up and it like the way that it's filmed is like a bodily violation that she's reacting to. I remember seeing that grief of like having something taken from her rather than it being like a P.O. like, I. I don't know. I don't know it. Watching it at the time, I even felt like this is an analog for like a sexual assault, in my opinion. [01:46:48] Speaker A: Which great for a Maleficent film, but at least it did well, I guess at the time and was enough to get the sequel a few years later. [01:46:56] Speaker B: And. [01:46:58] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. Just it's the fact that Cinderella kind of technically, I think is one of the first to really start the live action trend for Disney. Whether you like that or not. Don't really like that now, but every time I see it, every time I see a Tangled set photo, I just, just throw up in my mouth. Even though. Katherine Hahn, unsurprising. Good choice. [01:47:18] Speaker C: But I think unpopular. I think the casting is good. I'm excited to see Melanoma. I'm excited or not. [01:47:27] Speaker A: I think it's ballsy to have the zombies guy be flitting. [01:47:30] Speaker C: I think it's ballsy. I think he's going to be fine. [01:47:33] Speaker A: I think he will be too. [01:47:34] Speaker C: I think he's charming. I think he is kind of roguish looking, I guess, for lack of a better phrase. I think Teagan Croft is cute. I think she's gonna do a good job. [01:47:44] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, again, it's one of those things where I just. [01:47:47] Speaker C: But it also doesn't need to exist. [01:47:49] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:47:50] Speaker A: Are we. Because at this point, after Tangle gets made, we're probably getting live action Frozen after three, Right. [01:47:56] Speaker C: I don't even know if they want to touch that. [01:48:00] Speaker B: I mean, I don't know. Moana did not. Well, no, that could be kind of a killer for. But I think if you Doing the modern era. [01:48:09] Speaker A: But if I think that. [01:48:11] Speaker C: I do think that Tangled is gonna make Boo Coo. [01:48:13] Speaker B: Probably. [01:48:14] Speaker A: But the thing about. [01:48:14] Speaker C: The thing about Moana is so many women our ages favorite in, like, a really performative way, that everybody is gonna go and see that movie. Oh, my God, I love Rapunzel. [01:48:26] Speaker A: I mean, again, I think Tangled's still really good. I like the movie a lot. Mandy Moore's great in it, but. Yeah. I mean, it's hard not to think now with going into Tangled. Doing Tangled after Moana is cr. It should be Tangled. It really should just be Tangled. Frozen Moana, at this point, just do it like it's been a decade after age. [01:48:45] Speaker C: Like, Moana didn't need a live action. [01:48:48] Speaker A: No. [01:48:48] Speaker C: Suits itself so much better being animated. The ocean is a character. [01:48:52] Speaker A: Here's the thing. The thing about Moana is that while it did well in theaters, I believe statistically, it's one of the most streamed films of all time. [01:49:00] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:49:00] Speaker A: I don't think it's number one, but it's in the top five. [01:49:03] Speaker C: Consider when it came out, it was 2016. [01:49:05] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:49:05] Speaker C: That was the first Disney princess that we had gotten in a while, if I'm calling correctly. Because before that, it was Princess and the frog. Yeah, because. Because now also, Elsa and Anna have been removed from the Disney princess franchise. Frozen is its own franchise. [01:49:21] Speaker B: Oh, really? [01:49:21] Speaker C: Yeah. They're not considered Disney princesses anymore. They're princesses within their kingdom, obviously, but they are not. [01:49:28] Speaker B: Are they the only Disney princess princesses that aren't Disney princesses? [01:49:32] Speaker C: I believe. [01:49:33] Speaker A: I believe so. Yeah. Because they were coronated. [01:49:36] Speaker C: No, because, like, they were fully coronated and everything. Because, like, Disney does that at their parks and stuff. They will coordinate, you know. But they have been officially. Yes. Technically removed. [01:49:47] Speaker A: Is there reasoning because Elsa's technically a queen? [01:49:51] Speaker C: No, I think it's literally just because they're so popular. [01:49:54] Speaker B: Yeah, that's right. [01:49:55] Speaker C: It's that. And then they made their own. [01:49:57] Speaker B: It's just like all the others would die on the vine if they had them in the same club. [01:50:02] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:50:02] Speaker C: I mean, well, it's that. And then it's like. I feel like there are a couple of other reasons that I used to know and I'm now forgetting, but. [01:50:09] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:50:09] Speaker C: They are not the ancient knowledge. [01:50:11] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:50:12] Speaker C: It's fading from my. [01:50:13] Speaker B: You haven't been reading the scripture? [01:50:15] Speaker A: Listen, listen. [01:50:16] Speaker C: I haven't been keeping up as much [01:50:17] Speaker A: if you think Frozen Live action couldn't happen. Currently, Tangled is in development, and a Guy Ritchie Hurricane Hercules has been in development for like the last, like, three years, dude. [01:50:26] Speaker C: The number of times that I have seen the announcement that this actress will be playing Megara. [01:50:33] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:50:34] Speaker C: Liz Gillies or Ariana Grande, all of these people. And it's like, yeah, I wanna, if you, if you have to make this movie, which you don't have to, no one's holding a gun to your head and saying, make Hercules again. I, I, it also spread suits itself better being animated because it's ancient Greece, but Las Vegas at the same time, and you can't make that look good. [01:50:56] Speaker A: Well, another thing too is that Disney's Hercules was going to become a Broadway show and was in development in 2020, [01:51:03] Speaker C: would actually make a. [01:51:04] Speaker A: And then I think got pulled back. So it might still technically be in development, but I don't know. Lin Manuel's the Warriors takes full precedence. Did you not know about that, Andy? Lin Manuel Miranda's next musical is a musical adaptation of the Walter Hill film the Warriors. [01:51:21] Speaker B: I'd rather see a musical adaptation of 48 Hours, but okay. [01:51:25] Speaker A: Of all the Walter Hill films. But yeah, that's the Cinderella trilogy. I would, I would recommend, of course, the original. If you haven't seen it, and if you like the original, give two and three a watch. If two's boring. [01:51:38] Speaker C: The entire trilogy comes in at under four hours. [01:51:41] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, they're all like 73 minutes. [01:51:44] Speaker C: Yeah, they're like, literally they're within a minute of each other, I'm pretty sure. And they're all like an hour 13 or hour 14 of. [01:51:50] Speaker A: Of all the films we've watched back to back to back for the, the pod this year, this was the less painful. [01:51:57] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. One of the least painful. [01:52:00] Speaker C: Fairytopia was a great one. [01:52:02] Speaker B: Yeah. Pretty easy. [01:52:04] Speaker A: But the crowd was great. The crowd was great for that. It did diminish by the third one, but we did have a good time [01:52:09] Speaker C: by the time you get there. [01:52:10] Speaker A: Yes, but it's still a fun time. But yeah. Kelsey, thank you so much for being on the podcast. [01:52:16] Speaker C: Of course. Thank you for having me. I would love to come back for Frozen 3 when it comes back. [01:52:20] Speaker A: You will be back for that. We will, probably. Because I have. Because this year I put a Christmas trilogy on there that Andy will shake his head at. So I think if anything, we should probably just do a Christmas trilogy that is tied to a popular series to make it easier on us. But yeah, again, I would recommend the first film. If you haven't seen it yet, give two a try. If it bores you, that's fine. Cause three's a lot More fun. [01:52:48] Speaker C: I think everyone has fun with three. [01:52:49] Speaker B: Three's the personality pick. [01:52:51] Speaker A: Yes. And that brings us to the end of our September trilogies this year. And funny enough, we're going from the Bride to the Groom next episode because to start off spooky season, we are going to do in honor of a director who now has an Oscar winning film under his belt, who is a founding member of the troupe the Whitest Kids, you know, and had his first solo debut back in 23 with a film that just got released practically out of nowhere. Did incredibly well for its time to the point where he was able to get a bidding war for a second film that led to Jordan Peele firing his agency because he didn't get the film for his production company. To now heading the most recent video game adaptation with pretty much all the wheels and all the brakes taken off as a roller coaster ride, as he's kind of describing it. And so we will be talking with our very good friend of the pod and in real life, Jake Atwood, the Rise of Zach Krieger. [01:53:58] Speaker B: That's right. [01:53:58] Speaker A: Which leads into Barbarian Weapons and the most recently released Resident Evil. So, yeah, I'm excited. Kelsey, have you seen all. Have you seen Barbarian at least? [01:54:10] Speaker C: Have not. I've seen Weapons. [01:54:12] Speaker A: Oh, Barbarian. Barbarian. [01:54:15] Speaker B: We should watch when Jake watches. [01:54:16] Speaker C: I'll come to. I'll come watch. I'll come watch that one with you guys. Yeah, when you guys watch that one. Because I haven't seen it but I remember it came out and people told me specifically that I would really like it because it's like weird. Weird in like a way that is [01:54:28] Speaker B: like, there's Weird Mommy they're doing. [01:54:30] Speaker C: Yeah. And I let you know, I love Weird Mommy. [01:54:33] Speaker A: Well, it's one of those films that just like it felt hilariously now, especially with this year with like Obsession and Back rooms, even with a 24 and Blumhouse kind of backing those films, having kind of like grassroots kind of campaigns where people are just constantly word of mouth talking about Barbarian. Kind of had like a half of that, but still was enough that like, it took a while. But thankfully we have a physical release now. It took Disney three fucking years, but we finally have a physical release for the film. But because it was, I think for the longest time it was just stuck on Hulu when it had streaming and then led into. [01:55:08] Speaker C: I think that's also partially why I didn't watch it for a while because I'm like, I didn't have Hulu well, because now they've also merged with Disney. So now Barbarian. [01:55:16] Speaker A: That's another. [01:55:17] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:55:17] Speaker A: Another thing with Barbarian Variant is I think it was originally a Fox Searchlight film, and then during the Fox merger, it was kind of stuck on the shelf for a little bit until it became Searchlight Pictures and then they did. [01:55:28] Speaker C: I didn't watch it. [01:55:29] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:55:29] Speaker C: But I did see Weapons in theaters when it came out, and I thought Weapons was really good. I will say, like, people were talking about it and I thought that it was gonna be overhyped and I thought it was a little bit, but it was still fair. It was still really, really good. [01:55:41] Speaker A: Is doing a lot more. Here's the thing. I think you would like Barbarian a bit more just because it's a lot more simple, but it really is, like, very confident in the simplicity of its mystery compared to Weapons. Doing so much. Yeah. [01:55:55] Speaker B: Weapons conversation. Because I. I very much am in the camp that, yes, it's an okay movie. Very overhyped. And I know Jake and Logan are way bigger fans of that. [01:56:05] Speaker A: In my top 20 of last year, and I will say I did see it three times in the span of a week. It was not intentional for that, but it basically became our friend group. Was seeing it at three different times. And I saw it all three times. [01:56:18] Speaker C: I don't even know if I saw it with a group of people or anybody other than Jake. [01:56:22] Speaker A: I mean, it was getting sold out pretty fast. And it was in theaters a lot longer than I think any of us expected. [01:56:27] Speaker C: And now I never come to the group theater outings. [01:56:31] Speaker B: That's true. Even when Jake joined. [01:56:33] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:56:33] Speaker C: No, I'm a known stay home homer for that. I don't love the theater experience. [01:56:38] Speaker A: That's okay. When you're. You're always in our hearts when we're watching. [01:56:41] Speaker C: I'm always there in spirit. [01:56:43] Speaker A: Yeah. It was funny how I think the last time I remember us going. Was it Superman? Was the last time we all went together. No, it was Weapons, wasn't it? Was Superman after Weapons. [01:56:53] Speaker B: But we didn't all go to Weapons together. [01:56:55] Speaker A: No, we did Superman. [01:56:56] Speaker C: What did we just see with Patrick? [01:56:58] Speaker B: Group thing. [01:56:58] Speaker A: Oh, was that Mando? Did we see Mando and Grogu together? [01:57:03] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. [01:57:05] Speaker C: I think it was that. Yeah, I went to that. Well, I went to that because Patrick was in town. [01:57:10] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [01:57:12] Speaker A: No, that's fair. Honestly, that's fair. That's fair. I sat next to Patrick and I still was like, we're all here for this. [01:57:20] Speaker C: Anywhere other than this is. [01:57:21] Speaker A: We're in Dolby Cinema for the Mandalorian and grogu. But yeah. What date is this again, Andy? For this episode, my brain is 29th. No, I'm talking about for Zach Cracker. [01:57:33] Speaker B: Oh, sorry, it's it the 10th. It is the 10th, yeah. [01:57:36] Speaker A: All right, well, tune in October 10th when we discuss the rise of Kraeger. And as always, I'm Logan Sowash. [01:57:42] Speaker B: And I'm Andy Carr. [01:57:43] Speaker A: Thank you so much for listening. Bye.