Review: Gundam: Requiem for Vengeance

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Howdy, folks. This is Andy from ODD Trilogies and I'm here with Logan. So, Logan, also from ODD Trilogies. [00:00:11] Speaker B: No one, no one can see it because of course this is audio only. But we're recording this video chat wise and Andy did a little gesture hand to the camera and I. I saw just out of the corner of my eye because I was just checking my levels. [00:00:26] Speaker A: We are super professional today. And yeah, yeah, it's perfect because we're talking about one of our favorite properties between the two of us. Yes, we're doing a little audio review today on the recent Netflix streaming series Gundam Requiem for Vengeance. So Logan and I, obviously, if you've listened or been listening to the show, you know we're both pretty big Gundam fans and we've had our eyes on this 3D animated CGI Netflix series that's been announced for a while. So it finally came out last month and we kind of took our time getting through it and getting to it and we knew we wanted to talk about it. So yeah, we'll talk some non spoilers for a while and then we'll kind of dive into spoilery stuff because I know we'll have to get there being the nerds that we are. But yeah, basically just the general premise of this one is we are once again back in the One Year War, which is kind of the formative event of the original Gundam timeline, known as the Universal Century. This time we are taking a perspective of some principality of Zeon soldiers, which often the Federation tends to get kind of the main focal point, with some exceptions throughout Gundam history, but this one is almost entirely focused on a squadron of soldiers, mobile suit pilots on the Xeon side, basically, unexpectedly coming up against a new kind of experimental Federation mobile suit. [00:02:21] Speaker B: Yeah, one of the big selling points, at least for people like us when we heard about the show initially, was the fact that it's on the European front in the One Year War, which is of all the traveling, globetrotting, going to space of the original series. They're not ever really in the European front. [00:02:40] Speaker A: Yeah, they'll make reference to it and some of the other stuff. Yeah, we haven't really seen it in detail. So yeah, that was kind of a cool hook for it, at least for nerds like us. [00:02:52] Speaker B: But yeah, which also, before we get more into it, in case you're listening to this cold, but you still don't really have any Gundam knowledge. Bold of you to go into this. Very appreciate that. But if you want, we actually did an Odd Trilogies episode on the compilation Films last year or was it a year prior? [00:03:10] Speaker A: Last year. Last summer. [00:03:11] Speaker B: It was last year. [00:03:12] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:03:13] Speaker B: Yeah. Last summer we did the three compilation films that encompasses the original series kind of in its. The big best, Best of both worlds and having like the best parts of the show while also getting new animation to kind of tie up a series that's like 40 plus episodes originally, but they do in about three three hour films. [00:03:33] Speaker A: Yeah, roughly three two to two and a half hour films. Yeah, yeah. [00:03:37] Speaker B: So I recommend that if you're curious about that, we do spoil a lot. [00:03:42] Speaker A: Yeah. I would recommend giving those movies a watch and listening to the episode and then going on your merry way through the Gundam franchise. [00:03:53] Speaker B: But yeah, another big thing about Requiem is the fact that this is the first, I think in a very long time that we've gotten a CG Gundam at least since the early 2000s. [00:04:05] Speaker A: Yeah, we got Ms. Igloo way back when. Yeah. Which has aged beautifully. [00:04:11] Speaker B: Which can technically could be an odd trilogy if we want to do that because they were like, they were episodic. I think it was like three or four episodes each, but they were basically condensed into like a film. [00:04:23] Speaker A: Right, right. [00:04:24] Speaker B: And it's like. Yeah, cuz there's. Yeah, there's. [00:04:26] Speaker A: Yeah, there were three episodes originally. Yeah. [00:04:29] Speaker B: Mm. And. And yeah, once you, if you buy it now on Blu Ray, which of course I have. Right. It has all three of them in just one big case. And yeah, honestly like initially when we talked about doing this because again, October is a very busy month for both of us. But I really kind of was like, I wondered if I could sneak in an Igloo while we watch this together. But fortunately we didn't get a chance to see this together. But at the same time Gundam is Gundam and knew we'd have a fun time talking about it to an extent. [00:04:59] Speaker A: Right, well. And yeah, I mean this is the first like this is the first, I think kind of directly, primarily distributed by Netflix Gundam production. [00:05:14] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:05:16] Speaker A: Over the last few years Netflix has really kind of, I guess prioritized or cornered the market sort of on making some of the most popular Gundam series available for streaming. Of course these are decades old series and movies, so they obviously had nothing to do with the creation of them. But for the last couple years there have been the talks about the live action Gundam film which Netflix was supposed to be distributing, but as of like a couple weeks ago, they are no longer involved, which they were never involved in production but they were, they were going to distribute it, but now that that deal appears to be off Legendary Pictures is still attached to it as they were before. But some. [00:06:04] Speaker B: Some do say though, that the new hit film Red One might be what originally it was supposed to be. [00:06:10] Speaker A: It was repurposed script of the draft of the Gundam live action film. [00:06:14] Speaker B: No way. I can't believe Chris Evans character was supposed to be Amuro Ray. [00:06:20] Speaker A: Dwayne Johnson is Char Asnable. [00:06:23] Speaker B: Oh, man. I wonder if they'll ever leak like whatever script that was. Probably because it's going to go through like multiple script rewrites by the time that it comes out. [00:06:32] Speaker A: Well. And yeah, I mean, the Jordan Volt Roberts who was attached to direct is also no longer attached and. [00:06:40] Speaker B: No, but that means he's got more time on Metal Gear Solid. [00:06:44] Speaker A: Right. Another movie that may never happen. [00:06:47] Speaker B: I cannot wait if that movie does happen and we find out later on that Vought Roberts had to have a Sophie's Choice scenario of either Gundam or Metal Gear and he picked Metal Gear, honestly. Understandable. I can't imagine going from Gundam to Metal Cue Solid is a one, two punch. Yeah. Trying to figure out how to make those two films work. Two different mediums coming together in a cinematic format. Which again, Gundam has had cinematic films, but like in animation. [00:07:17] Speaker A: Yes. [00:07:18] Speaker B: Trying to. Yeah, yeah. And also, like, they can get away with being like, here you go, nerds. Here's two and a half hours of like the first, like 10 episodes of the show. [00:07:27] Speaker A: Right. [00:07:27] Speaker B: It's gonna be hard to do that to Americans. What do you think? [00:07:31] Speaker A: Yeah. Okay. Well, we've stalled plenty long. [00:07:35] Speaker B: I'm not stalling. I don't know what you're talking about. [00:07:37] Speaker A: We can get into our thoughts on this and we'll start with kind of non spoilers. But Logan, you and I haven't really talked about this yet, so we haven't. How did you feel about Requiem for Vengeance? [00:07:51] Speaker B: I think at its best, it is fine. [00:07:54] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:07:55] Speaker B: I think at its worst, or maybe at most of its six episodes, it is forgettable. It's pretty much like put on in the background type of Gundam. [00:08:05] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:08:06] Speaker B: Where it's like the worst part. I mean. Yeah. Without any spoilers. It is a series about the Zeon front and the European front, and they don't really do much that we haven't already seen on other fronts in other series. Even in the Universal century. Kind of like it's pretty by the numbers. [00:08:30] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:08:31] Speaker B: And I mean, that doesn't mean it doesn't have some merit. I would argue, like, probably one of its biggest things is the fact that while I do think the CG is flawed in a lot of places. It looks a thousand times better than it does in anything I've seen of Igloo. [00:08:46] Speaker A: Sure. [00:08:47] Speaker B: And I do think that there are moments where the shading and the lighting and some of the action sequences I think do justice in terms of like the terror of the Gundam itself. [00:08:59] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. That would probably be my highlight of it is just how the Gundam itself and kind of the Mac action in general is portrayed. It does feel very heavy. The Gundam feels scary and crazy powerful. [00:09:13] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:09:14] Speaker A: Which is something, I mean, you know, if you're paying attention in like the original series and the original movies and stuff, it's expressed by the characters how powerful the Gundam is. But partly due to like the animation, you don't necessarily always get to really see that in action. Like why it's so crazy powerful. Yeah. In this you really get a sense, with all the kind of the real world physics of it, you get a sense of like, oh, this thing is faster, it is stronger. It has guns that can one shot just about anything. [00:09:47] Speaker B: It's the coolest the rifles have been. [00:09:48] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. Oh, this. Yeah. This show makes the. The beam, the standard beam rifle, the original beam rifle feel like the Unicorn's Beam Magnum. Like. [00:09:59] Speaker B: Yeah, it's so. It's. It's fucking wild. I mean. Yeah, it's hard to. Cause it's like. It's a show that also feels. It's weird because it feels like I don't know who you are selling this show to that isn't huge in Gundam. Because again, technically you can go into this and not have any idea, honestly, any. If you don't know anything about Gundam and you walk into this, you'll probably enjoy this more than any Gundam fan. [00:10:26] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. [00:10:27] Speaker B: I think it's like a big like. Like if you watch this, this is your first Gundam thing and you're like, oh, I like Gundam. I should watch other Gundam stuff. Good. This is like a solid starting point to a degree. [00:10:39] Speaker A: Yeah. I think. I think if you're in, you know, in 2024, you have heard the word gu all your life and never bothered, you know, to take a step in. And you're scrolling on Netflix one day and you see this shit, it's like, oh, okay, sure. Yeah. This would be a decent starting point. I would hope it wouldn't turn anybody away just in terms of like the quality, like the writing quality and stuff. Because Gundam does have a lot more to offer than the show lets on. [00:11:07] Speaker B: Yes. [00:11:07] Speaker A: But it is, I think, at its best, kind of like a little A little microcosm of like what the kind of war drama that Gundam is known for. And it gives kind of an entry level, you know, taste of that. [00:11:28] Speaker B: I do. The show does have like, I would argue, not really argue. I don't think we'll really argue about this show much. But like I would say that it has like two or three moments I said was like, oh, that's a solid Gundam moment. That's a solid. Like especially the last two episodes I think are like, oh damn, that's. That's good. Yeah, that's a good choice for that and that. But like ultimately what's, what's just so funny about the show is that the Universal century and the Gundam franchise has been around since the inception of Gundam, which in terms of media is like 800 years to a degree. There is, there is. It is basically a interquil of a series that takes place during the main 70s show. [00:12:17] Speaker A: Right. [00:12:17] Speaker B: It has to kind of keep. It has to cast to keep the energy of kind of like what the 70s sci fi felt. While also can't really do a lot because it's so late in the game in the series. It's not like anything it's doing in there. It's not like, oh, that's somebody from the show. Like I, I wondered if we would ever get to a point where it's like we don't really run anybody in the original show. That's from the European front. There. There is one. I think Odessa is like the only thing that they said that. My ear. I perked up. [00:12:49] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:12:50] Speaker B: Because I remember Odessa Spaceport from the original series. I'm talking about it. [00:12:53] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:12:54] Speaker B: But like it very much is its own self contained thing that like I wouldn't be surprised is like. Would be called a tech demo internally in like Sunrise being like, oh, we can do this. [00:13:05] Speaker A: Yeah, we can do CGI stuff. Yeah. [00:13:08] Speaker B: That being said, do you like. It's. I think it's hard to like. It's also I think a weird thing because it's like it's not like Gundam is all Universal century stuff anymore. Again, Gundam is 800 years old. So it has like nine or 10 different timelines and series technically that like it's hard not to watch this and be like, well, not only do I have like a bunch of Universal century stuff I can compare this to, but I also could keep the fact that like we didn't get any more of Witch from Mercury because of projects like this. [00:13:42] Speaker A: Right. Like this. I think that that ends up being the kind of the frustrating element of it. As a. As a rabid Gundam fan who's waiting for the next thing to come out, it's frustrating to see something like this be. And being like, okay, this. This took up a slot in the years, like, schedule. This took up a slot in the production cycle. We're waiting on Hathaway 2 for this. [00:14:07] Speaker B: It's all. Yeah. It's also the fact that it's like, it's just as frustrating in the fact that, like, Netflix and how it handles its schedules is so flippant on changing dates. Yeah, they're like, they announced this like, a year and a half ago. And then last year, I think around this time Last year, in 2023, we got our first snippets and looks. And then they just said there was like, even. Not even a date. Yeah, like, not even, like 2024. It just was like, soon. [00:14:35] Speaker A: Right. [00:14:35] Speaker B: And then we were like, oh, there are rumors that it might happen in, like, the spring, which would make sense. [00:14:41] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:14:42] Speaker B: Like, it's like if they're showing footage of it. And then the spring came around and it still was just 2024. Yeah, it's coming. And then I think it was, what, August, September. They're like, mark your calendars, October. And it's like, guys, I forgot you were still releasing. [00:14:59] Speaker A: Right. [00:15:00] Speaker B: And then it's out and it's about as mid as. You can probably do Gundam with that. [00:15:07] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, it's. [00:15:10] Speaker B: Again, it's fine. Yeah, it's not like, it's just. Yeah, but like you said, it's not gonna. Don't let this be the thing that makes you go, is this all Gundam is? I'm good. [00:15:18] Speaker A: Sure. Yeah. Well. And there's so much more to it, I think, from. Yeah, I mean, there's. There's only so much you can say about this for, like, the novice perspective, because it's, you know, it's a. It's a pretty familiar war. Like, you know, boots on the ground war drama featuring giant robots. And in terms of, like, taking this show on by itself with no context, that's really all there is to. It plays with a few ideas from, like, the broader universal century stuff. I mean, it does mention. [00:15:54] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:15:55] Speaker A: New types at a certain point, but, like, I can't imagine. I mean, I assume if you've never watched any Gundam, you're gonna hear that and be like, why are they including psychic stuff? [00:16:06] Speaker B: Yes. Because I don't. Yeah, because it's episode five. [00:16:09] Speaker A: It's episode five when they first say new type. And then. [00:16:13] Speaker B: Because again, I think that's one of the cool. That's one of the things I will give the show. The way that they show what a new type sensor is, is really. [00:16:21] Speaker A: It's very subtle, you know, in a way that most Gundam stuff pertaining to new types is not subtle. It's. [00:16:28] Speaker B: Yeah, it's. It's like. It's like Raimi Spider Sense where you're not like. You're not like getting like the little wavy lines or like. What was that? It's just like. It's the noise. Just like almost like noise cancellation. [00:16:40] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:16:40] Speaker B: Situation drowning out and then. Yeah, but like, they don't touch on that until episode five, when it's brought. [00:16:47] Speaker A: Yeah, but there's. Yeah, and. [00:16:49] Speaker B: And it's so casual with it too. [00:16:51] Speaker A: I think that. I think that would be a complaint of mine in general. And this is true of a lot of streaming shows where, like, a lot of things, a lot of the intrigue and like, the interesting parts of the show don't show up until, like the last two episodes. You know that up until then, it's very. Just kind of. Okay, here's another war drama cliche. Here's another. Oh, you know, this character dies that I didn't really know. But it's sad because the main character is sad. I don't know. Yeah. [00:17:29] Speaker B: Do we want to get into spoilers? Because I think we're. Now we're getting. We're tiptoeing into the side of just getting right into. [00:17:35] Speaker A: Well, I'll just say this before we get into spoilers, my kind of like, last spoiler free thought. Although it will. This will only mean anything to, like, Gundam nerds. [00:17:48] Speaker B: Yeah. You better be listening. [00:17:49] Speaker A: Yeah, it kind of. This show in general just kind of feels to me like, you know, I don't know much about the guys who made this. Erasmus Brosdow is the director. He's done some, like, shorts. Some, like, CGI shorts. One was like a Warhammer fan film. It was written by Gavin Hignite, who I has written some TV stuff here and there and some, like, I don't know, Marvel and Star wars and stuff like that. But anyway, I don't know much about these guys or how they came to Gundam or if it means anything to them. But the way this show reads to me is like somebody whose favorite Gundam series was 8th Ms. Team. They really liked the, you know, the real gritty war, you know, Vietnam War Gundam, but they never. This person whose favorite thing was at the MES Team never felt like the Zeon ever got their due, which is A ridiculous thing to think because a. Plenty of Gundam things have like, kind of shown the Zeon perspective and given them their due. And also, how sympathetic do we really need to be to the Zeon, the Principality of Zeon, beyond what we've already got in other media? I will. [00:19:18] Speaker B: That's the only aspect I would say is you are missing hilariously in a show about Zeon. The one thing you are missing that I didn't realize until towards the end is the fact that the show never even addresses or tries to have like, their side apologizing for the fact they dropped a space colony onto Australia and their leaders are fat, like space fascists. Like, there's just. [00:19:47] Speaker A: There's. [00:19:47] Speaker B: I mean, they're not gonna think that. [00:19:48] Speaker A: There'S no attempt on the show's part to reckon with. Yeah, the. The side that these characters are fighting for. And. And I will say War in the Pocket. My favorite Gundam ever. Maybe yours too, I'm not sure. Oh, it's absolutely one of the best Gundam things to ever exist. Also takes a more. More Zeon centric perspective than Federation without really reckoning a whole lot with what Xeon is all about. But that show gets away with it because the characters in that are so uninvolved in what's actually happening in the broader picture. It's really just a, you know, they're in a neutral colony, they're not at war, blah, blah, blah. In this, we're literally dealing with like, basically frontline soldiers. These guys, you know, should probably know everything that's going on. They're involved in major conflicts. They're. They're right in the middle of it. And yeah, the show has no interest in like, addressing at all the greater complications and nuances of the. Of the forces at play. And it's just kind of like it feels like, why would you make this show and not want to reckon with this unless you're just trying to make a, you know, a Zeon fanboy show. I don't know. [00:21:12] Speaker B: Yeah. Because again, yeah, it's just. It's another thing about Gundam being as old as it is is that this is. This is technically an ona, which is an original. Net animation, which is War in the Pocket is, you know, again, both of our favorite things. And that's an. It's an ova, which is basically. It's. If War in the Pocket was made today, it'd probably be an original. [00:21:35] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, it's functionally the same thing. We just consume our media differently now. [00:21:40] Speaker B: But it is the fact that like, yeah, it's hard being something in the Gundam series that is in the universal century that is six episodes long that has a neon centric kind of plot line to a degree. It's hard. Even though it's CG and it's on Earth, it's hard not to compare it to a degree to War in the Pocket, or at least not be like, watch it. Be like. War in the Pocket is the same length and does so much more with his characters. And it's pacing and does a lot to really sell the idea that like, yeah, Bernie as the Zeon soldier in that is like, he's young enough that clearly he's just like been told and indoctrinated for the long. This is what he has to do. While, as in like Requiem, you kind of get that information. But since they never talk about it, they even have a character in Requiem that could like, ask them this questions and like, almost argue with them. They have like a Doctors Without Borders, like, character who, I will be honest, I don't remember. [00:22:41] Speaker A: No, I remember the main. [00:22:42] Speaker B: Like, you're gonna have to like. I. I think Alfie, he's the, the fun. Yeah, he's. He's. He's. I thought he was gonna be dead. He doesn't die. I'll did that one. Spoiler out. Alfie lives. Everything about him screamed he was gonna blow up. [00:23:00] Speaker A: Right. Right. [00:23:01] Speaker B: I'm glad. But yeah, it is, It's. It's hard not to watch something like Requiem and just be like, you have the tools, even have the history to see that. Even like, yeah, even if you want to do more like 8th MS, but in Europe, that's also fine. But also be very well aware of how that show had like nine episodes. And even so, even with those episodes, they have story flaws, narrative issues in those episodes. And so it's like to watch this and be like, yeah, narratively, we start the series. Okay, I'll wait. I feel like I'm getting way too close. I will say personally, if you're. This is where you're stopping in the, in the. I give it like a two and a half out of five. [00:23:47] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. I'm like, I'll be joking. This is. And I'll say this, you know, this speaks well to the Gundam media I've consumed. This is probably the worst Gundam show I've seen. And it's still like, at worst a two. Probably more like a two and a half. It's not terrible. It's just, I think if you have, if you've been around the you know, around like we have with Gundam. It's. It's not going to do much for you. [00:24:17] Speaker B: I think you get more emotion, like, more emotional resonance out of the very first episode of the first series than you do out of six episodes of this. And there's reasons, of course, but at the same time, I mean, that just shows where, like, the intentions are. Where it's like, you know, in the original series, you get that so early on because it has to basically prove to you this show's not fucking around. Even though it's for kids, it's going to talk like you're talking to adults, and kids are gonna have to really resonate with that. Well, as with Requiem, it's just like we're gonna play with these toys in CG that you haven't seen in cg or if you have, it's been a long time and they look a lot better. And yes, all the suits look great in the show. The cockpits are wonderful. [00:25:05] Speaker A: Like, again, it's just the people that look awful. [00:25:09] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. And I will honestly say that while I honestly kind of. I. I will forgive that to a degree until we start talking about performances, which is why I want to do ask, did you dub this or did you watch the sub. [00:25:24] Speaker A: So this was originally animated for English. So I watched it in English, yeah. Really was. Yeah. [00:25:32] Speaker B: I didn't know that. [00:25:34] Speaker A: It's. [00:25:34] Speaker B: I. Because I was curious at times. [00:25:36] Speaker A: It's originally English language. They dubbed over it in Japanese. Yeah. [00:25:41] Speaker B: Oh, okay. [00:25:42] Speaker A: So I watched the English. I don't know about you. Okay, I did. [00:25:45] Speaker B: I dubbed. I was. I was curious again. Gundam is like, in. In kind of like, especially nowadays because, like, the original Gundam had a notoriously bad compilation dub. And now if you watch it now, you have like a really solid, strong dub from like, early 2000s, I think. Like, it's a. It's almost like what they do with Akira, right? Where they. Like the Pioneer dub and whatnot. So, like, I was like, yeah, you know, Gundams usually have a solid dub. And so it's like, this is in the European front, maybe, maybe the animations, maybe the dub, it'll work together. And I. Well, I would say that the dub is rough. [00:26:31] Speaker A: I'll say this. I think. I think a lot has been said online from what I've read about the voice acting. And personally, I think for the most part, though there are exceptions. For the most part, my issue is not really with the vocal performances so much as the inexpressiveness of the facial animation. Just. Oh, that's not match up with the kind of emotion being expressed in the voices. Not that the voices are amazing and some of them are actually pretty bad, but, like, for the most part, I was like, you know what? If this was, like, better animated, I don't think I would have any issue with the performances right now. [00:27:13] Speaker B: I think they will say most of the vocal performances, even, like, the grunts on either side, they are pretty distinct enough that you're not getting confused as to who's saying what. And I think that's. That does get maybe half a star for approach. But I will say, yeah, I think even if it's like the stiffness of the face, it is really just the lips not hitting the. [00:27:38] Speaker A: Not quite yet. [00:27:39] Speaker B: Now that I know that it was meant to be for the dub, it makes it even more egregious because there are moments where you think. At least I thought, especially later, like, episode five and six, there's some, like. [00:27:49] Speaker A: Out of dub stuff. [00:27:51] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Early on, it's really in sync in a lot of ways where it kind of freaked me out. But later on, it seems it's a little. It gets a little lax. Little. Not. I'm not gonna say lazy. Because animating stuff like that, especially what it looks like, even though it's not perfect, that does take a lot of time. [00:28:08] Speaker A: Yeah. No, I think this is the first time there has been a Gundam series created in English and not Japanese first and then dubbed. I don't know if that has to do with the Netflix of it all. Netflix was like, okay, we'll help fund this. If you make it an English show. I don't know. Or if they just want. I know, I know they're trying. Bandai is trying to appeal to the western hemisphere more. The guy in charge of the Gundam franchise recently basically said that, like, anime is kind of taking hold in the west, so we're trying to, like, get in on that. So maybe this whole show was an attempt to appeal to a western market with it being set in Europe and all that. So I don't know. [00:28:57] Speaker B: Which is really funny to think because it's like, when you have that thought, you almost forget the fact that if anime is doing well as is, do. [00:29:07] Speaker A: You really need to modify Panda? [00:29:11] Speaker B: Yeah. And it's like, it's. I mean, it's funny to think that it's like, it makes. It's wild that they didn't even, like, do. I don't know. Because again, another thing too is this year we. This is not our first new Gundam thing. We watched this Year because we also watched Gundam Seed Freedom. [00:29:30] Speaker A: That's right. [00:29:31] Speaker B: Destiny. Or is it Gundam Seed Destiny? [00:29:34] Speaker A: And then Gundam Seed Destiny is the sequel series to Gundam Seed. This was Gundam Seed Freedom. Yeah. [00:29:41] Speaker B: And so we saw that and we had. No. We literally the both of us. And then our. One of our friends, Evan, who you'll have. You'll hear in a recent episode soon. So stay. But we all had nothing. No idea what we were getting into. And. But even then, it's like watching that it happened has the energy of like, oh, there's gotta be some Seed people. [00:30:05] Speaker A: That are losing their watch. [00:30:08] Speaker B: And then I go on the Internet and it's like you. I mean, you just go to Reddit. Gundam Seed Freedom and there are people that are just squealing over certain kind of fan service moments. Requiem doesn't have that. Yeah, maybe like the only thing I think that was like, can I now get spoilers? [00:30:26] Speaker A: Yeah. So let's say yeah, yeah, yeah. So that kind of wraps up our non spoiler thoughts and we'll get into the meat of it now. [00:30:33] Speaker B: Yeah. Requiem Mid. [00:30:35] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:30:36] Speaker B: Don't let it be your first thing you watch. But it's not it. It's not. It just, you know, it is what it is. No, I think like the thing that like it, besides the blue goof, like the goofs are enough. Where it's like, ah, that's some 8th Ms. Shit if I haven't seen it in a while. But really, it's just like being like. I think it was the first episode. The first episode ends. The Gundam looks radish shit. And the first thought I came to mind is, it's a kid. There's no way it's not a fucking kid in that goddamn Gundam. And so like to get to that point in episode five where it's like literally the only kid we've run into the entire show. I was like, hey, well, cool, we get to find out more about. [00:31:16] Speaker A: No, no, no. Yeah. I really wish it was such a. It's such a weird choice to have your main character be a mother. And that is expressed in the beginning of this. I don't know if it's the first episode, but very early on we know. Okay. Iria, the main character, she's a mother. She was a musician before the war. All this a little bit about her personal life. To have your main character be a mother and to then wait until the second to last episode to reveal that the antagonist is a child and then do nothing with that kind of like, you know, dynamic, that conflict of Feelings and values on the protagonist part. It's just so weird. I feel like you could have revealed the kid way earlier in the show through some, you know, some crossing of paths, and then kind of done a little bit of a parallel journey there, maybe. [00:32:18] Speaker B: Again, that's. That's why War in the Pocket. [00:32:21] Speaker A: Right, Right. [00:32:22] Speaker B: Damn good. Is because War in the Pocket basically, is like, how do you get around the fact that, like, the enemy that you're about to see is on the enemy side, and we want to commit this to one side specifically. How do we get around that? Well, they get around it by basically being an enemy infiltrating. [00:32:38] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:32:39] Speaker B: The other territory, and then doing this really interesting dynamic of having, like, a woman who's very sweet, who could be a love interest for Bernie, who's very sweet to our real protagonist. The young kids finding out that, like, getting introduced to her and then being like, oh, by the way. [00:32:56] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:32:57] Speaker B: She's the antagonist to a. To Bernie's story. And in Requiem, it's like, you get around that by, like, you. Honestly, by the end of episode one or the start of episode two, that's when they should be doing their stealth. [00:33:10] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:33:10] Speaker B: Right. They should be trying to get a gym. [00:33:12] Speaker A: You have, like, the first episode or two is the catastrophe of, like, oh, our fort gets wrecked. Then, oh, we have to go steal. They got these really powerful suits. We need to go get those. You don't wait four more episodes to go do that shit. [00:33:27] Speaker B: Yeah. Cause it's like they. Cause in the first episode, you get Iria's. [00:33:32] Speaker A: Is it Red Wolf? [00:33:33] Speaker B: Is it, like the Red Wolf team? Cause you have, like, in the first episode, you have Iria LeSean, I believe, fatso Fatty or something like that. He's got, like, a goofy. This is the fat one. It's like. Yeah, yeah. It's like, oh, so this is. Was this made in 2004? Igloo? And then there's like, basically the guy that looks like the sniper clone from Bad Batch. [00:34:01] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:34:01] Speaker B: And in the span of an entire episode, Chubbs in the sniper guy are just Merck. [00:34:08] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:34:08] Speaker B: And it's like, at that point, it's like, okay, we need more time with the ones that are still alive, and maybe if we give them. And again, there's. I think, with stuff with Lashawn, it's very. There's nothing here that I think is very subtle and how it's handling it, which is fine, because there are certain versions of Gundam where it's like Bash Beat. You beat your head over the stick about like, war bad. Not everyone on each side is a bad person. Catastrophe sucks. War bad. War bad. And it's like. But it is kind of like once the kid shows up in five, because I. Yeah, because I watched. I watched, I think, one by itself. And then I was like, I'll get back to this. And then I went like, 2, 3, 4. [00:34:49] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:34:50] Speaker B: And I was like, that was a fun little streak. It's again, a very easy show. Even though it's mid. It's very easy. Yeah, that's like, okay, double feature. Let's do five and six. Because I think that's what we were going to do. [00:35:00] Speaker A: But then time pretty much the same. [00:35:02] Speaker B: So watching. Yeah, watching five and just seeing the kid and being like, damn, he's got that amuro kind of vibe. I can feel that. We're not gonna get a name, are we? It's also the fact that, like, the people that he's with. Because there is a scene early in, like, I think it's episode three or four, they take down a gym and the kid saves somebody from that gym. And I thought it was him saying, another kid from the gym. So I thought we were gonna get to meet the pilot of that gym that went down as well as the Gundam. And we really don't. We meet instead for a very brief moment, I believe triplets that were like, hanging out with him, they were the one that were playing chess. Because I think they look the same. They all three the same character. That's what I kept thinking. It's like different hairstyles. And then when they showed up, I was like, that is a uniquely funny Gundam thing that was like, of course, it's also tragic as shit to have triplets in fucking gyms that are murked by the end of it, but they don't even really fight. They're not even the characters either. So when the kid shows up, it's like, okay, like, what? How far is this gonna go? And it. It goes about as bare minimum as it can where it's like, yeah, like, you should put more emphasis on a mother, on a war in a war zone who just wants to get back. [00:36:27] Speaker A: To her and realizing she might have to kill a kid to get there. Like that. That's a whole journey you can go on. And they don't. Because they wait until the last episode to do anything with it. And by then it's too late. [00:36:40] Speaker B: And then, yeah, by that point, the kid gets stabbed. [00:36:43] Speaker A: Kill the kid just about as literally immediately as they have. [00:36:49] Speaker B: Those. Pretty rad. [00:36:50] Speaker A: Yeah, sure, that was One of the. [00:36:51] Speaker B: Only times I went. I went, shit, okay. Because I was like, they're not gonna go that far. This show's barely done anything that's gonna. [00:36:56] Speaker A: Be like, oh, yeah, yeah. [00:36:57] Speaker B: But that was the one time where it's like, it's Tomino. [00:37:00] Speaker A: Are you there? Yeah, yeah. [00:37:03] Speaker B: Are you listening? Are you asleep? You should be in bed. You should be in bed right now, mister. You should not be listening to this. Yeah, it just. Yeah, it is, like, because it's that and like, there's clearly Inklings. The show clearly has a feel that, like, they were trying not to put too much emphasis in their story or their characters, but just enough that if Sunrise is like, it did well enough that Netflix is asking for a season two, they could do a season two. Because it's like they're. Because the way that it ends where she's like, oh, I'm not going back home. I'm now in Africa. I'm with the Midnighters. You probably don't know Midnighters are. They showed up in like the last two episodes. They're kind of cool. There's still some time before the one Year war ends. You know, maybe we could get a season two. And they like shrug to the camera almost. And it's like, like, okay. [00:37:58] Speaker A: But at the same time, it feels a little bit, I don't know, forced to have her get so incensed about this. Cause of, like, I'm gonna fight until no kid has to see war ever again. And it's like, okay, I don't know. [00:38:16] Speaker B: That's. That's some Gundam protagonist kid shit. [00:38:19] Speaker A: Yeah, but that's some shit you do in the first three episodes. [00:38:23] Speaker B: Yeah, no, absolutely. But it's also just the fact that it's like her husband died in it sounds like an attack, like. Yeah, like a battle between the feds and Zeon. She used to be a violinist. Like, basically like one of the best violinists in the Zeon Empire. The Principality Force. My bad. And the Fed is like, she's got a kid at home. If you took a drink for every time someone said, but you can't do blank area, you have a kid to go back to. It's. You'd be dead by, I think, like the halfway point. Because, like, it just like it's constantly brought up because the. I mean, again, the inciting incident is enough to be interesting where it's basically like Zeon feels like they done a good thing because they've taken over a base. But guess what? They're fucking idiots. It was a trap. And The Gundam has ganked all of them. And now you have one of the only survivors who now has trauma and also is like, I want this fucking thing to die. And that's the other vengeance of it all, because it killed half her team. And then like after that it's kind of like doing standard Gundam moseying around, like not filler fully, but kind of. [00:39:35] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:39:35] Speaker B: And it's like, you know, if you have 40 episodes, I get it, you have to fill the time if it's episodic. But this is an episodic. This is all coming out at once. And it's supposed to be like the. [00:39:46] Speaker A: Way this is structured, it probably. I mean it definitely could have probably should have just been a movie because there's not really a structure to the episodes that makes it feel like it needs to be broken up into six parts. No, yeah, it's. [00:40:04] Speaker B: It. It is. I mean again, they even try to do some weirder stuff with like the dream sequences. There's I like the dream sequence in the last episode. And then of course like they try to do their best of trying to do a new interpretation of like the new type almost mind meld, almost scene. Because at a certain point, again, it's never clarified because the kid is basically dead before you would get anything from him. But like there are moments where like when she finally connects with the Gundam pilot, it's with the kid that kind of initially I think it looks like her son and then like becomes ultimately is the kids that is in the Gundam seat where like they're like dreams are mind melding and like she's seen kind of like why he's fighting. We don't really know why he's fighting because again he's a. He's not really developed. And so like ultimately you get like just inklings of like. I assume it's an Amuro situation maybe a little bit, but at the same time that's a very unique situation. [00:41:05] Speaker A: Right. Yeah. The whole thing of the original series is that it was complete happenstance that all those kids ended up on that ship. And now it's like, I guess we're just to presume that the Federation is casually using children to pilot their experimental war machines like all the time. [00:41:24] Speaker B: Because that's the. That's the funniest thing about. Because I'm currently watching Double Zeta, which is the third series in the Universal in the uc and like even from the second sequel series from there just going to like is now. We are now a decade plus in the Universal century story. Technically they are still at the like in universe, they are trying to constantly not have children in those cockpits. But they're just so damn good at piloting those Gundams. They're just like, I don't like this, but it's probably our best option. And that's kind of like. That's the part where it's like, you know, if it was in this show, that's when someone looks at the camera and goes, this is war. We need children. But like it's. But it is kind of like funny to think that like in universe, you know, having so many people be like, I don't know if we should put a kid in this pilot. In Requiem, whoever's doing the European theater aspect of it is basically going like, I don't know, like throw kid. [00:42:23] Speaker A: Yeah, well, it's. Yeah. [00:42:24] Speaker B: I mean I think in terms of. [00:42:27] Speaker A: Like the actual canon of the uc, this is the only other Gundam in the One Year War. Well, no, I guess you've. Yeah. [00:42:39] Speaker B: Really? [00:42:39] Speaker A: Well, you've got the ground Gundam in 8th Ms. Team, but that's really just a GM with a Gundam head. [00:42:47] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:42:48] Speaker A: Other than Omaro's Gundam, I think this is the only other one. So it's like really, you're telling me that both Gundams on opposite sides of the war are just piloted by kids? Like by happenstance? [00:43:01] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:43:02] Speaker A: You're two multi billion dollar experimental war machines you're gonna put in the hands of kids willingly. Just weird. [00:43:12] Speaker B: There's a. Yeah. It's a show that I think has a lot of interesting like could be built into other ideas. Or like you could even see like. Like the junkyard shit is like this is like a standard 23 parter hitter in like a regular Gundam show. But again, we only have six episodes. So why we do it? Why we do it like this where it's like we have it. We're focusing so much on building new. New Zaku's for Iria and Leshawn. It's like so much time is put into that. It's like, guys, maybe we should cut this down a little bit because by the time this is done, like the episode is done and we're already like 2/3 in like what are we gonna do? And there's. There's also like a character that shows up who's very Z on esque. Like he's higher. [00:44:00] Speaker A: The mustache. [00:44:02] Speaker B: Yeah, no, well, yeah, him. But also the guy that gives Iria the mission. [00:44:06] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:44:06] Speaker B: The stealth mission. And like he just shows up for an episode. He's gone. Like it's very much is like, I wonder again, because he has the energy of like, oh, you liked him in that one episode. Well, we have an idea that could be an arc for him because he's. Guess what? He's in Africa in season two. It's like things like that where it's like there are inklings of cool ideas that could be like. But instead of trying to get it all out in a single season and be like, we could do more, it's more just like. Just a taste, an inkling of what could be better. And it's like, well, I don't need that. Because again, it's like. And usually in a case like this, if it's like a new show trying to do that, it's like, I know. Thanks. There's other. There's enough other shit to watch. You're not really grabbing me, but this is Gundam. Gundam is a series that has too much just even in the uc. Like, just in the Universal century stuff. Like, again, I'm. Yeah, I'm on the third of the four series that are like 40 plus episodes in the Universal century. That's not. That's not including eighthms team, which is almost 10 episodes. [00:45:15] Speaker A: I think it's 12. Yeah. [00:45:17] Speaker B: 8Th Ms. Is 12. Stardust Memory, which is 12 to 13. War in the Pocket, which is 6. Igloo, which again is. [00:45:27] Speaker A: Igloo, is like 3. [00:45:28] Speaker B: 9 episodes. [00:45:29] Speaker A: Like 3 parters. Yeah. [00:45:32] Speaker B: Yeah. And it's like there's so much in the Universal century that it's just like, that's just not the movie. You don't even count the movies if you don't want to. Like, it's. There's enough there that you just like you. The way that you kind of pull someone into a Gundam show should be. Not only is this a fun Gundam show, but this is unique to Gundam because of this. And you know, Zeta gets away with that, I think, in a way early on, because it goes, hey, guess what? The bad guys from the original series, or some of the bad guys, they're technically the good guys. Yeah, in a way. And then Double Zeta is basically like, hey, it's not as sad as Zeta. It's more fun. Or we're gonna do this on top of, like, basically Sunrise, you know, flicking Tomino in the back of its head and going, make us more Gundam designs. [00:46:23] Speaker A: More robots. [00:46:24] Speaker B: Like, more robots for. [00:46:27] Speaker A: To name it whatever you want. Just make more of them. Okay. The Kelgo. [00:46:34] Speaker B: Gosh, I still think of the Rick D. Like ds, but it's like, yeah, Requiem is You know, recycling Gundam designs we've seen with like a little bit difference here and there. Like the Zaku, the junkyard Zaku's are like. [00:46:48] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean I just like the design. I do like a lot of the aesthetics of the mobile suits in this. It's their fun like alt designs. [00:46:58] Speaker B: Yeah. And listen, I'm a simple man. You give me a Blue Goof, I will be happy when Blue Goof is on the screen. But like it's not going to be enough for me to be like, everyone come see the Blue Goof. Watch six episodes of Requiem event. That's not that good. [00:47:15] Speaker A: I did a blue Goo. Didn't really like how the gyms looked in this like gyms. [00:47:21] Speaker B: Okay. [00:47:21] Speaker A: I will be more like it. They make them look more Cyclops esque. Yes. [00:47:27] Speaker B: Pretty now only they make gun tanks look cool. [00:47:31] Speaker A: The gun tanks or gun cannons. Barely. Yeah. No, there is no gun cannon. [00:47:36] Speaker B: Is there no good gun. There is. [00:47:38] Speaker A: Yeah, there are gun tanks, but they're not. They're not done up in the classic paint job. [00:47:43] Speaker B: No, no, no. But yeah. Jim's. I will give it. [00:47:47] Speaker A: I mean the Gundam looks really cool. It looks ugly, but in like kind of a cool scary way. And I like triple beam saber rail that comes on his shoulder and he picks one. Then he's got a minigun on the other side. [00:48:03] Speaker B: The minigun's great. I. Every time I think the shot of when it stabbed into Iria Zaku and you just see like the sliver of the Gundam through that as well as like when Lashan's death. [00:48:16] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:48:16] Speaker B: He's able to push one of the eyes out like poke. Like basically poke it out. And so the next time you see it, he actually looks. It looks a lot Radder one eye where it's like. Yeah, it's just a simplistic design, but it's still pretty standard Gundam. It's pretty standard. How it looks. It's. Yeah, just overall it's a very standard show. That is like it very much has the energy we're feeling. We're filling the. We're filling the roster. [00:48:45] Speaker A: Yeah. It's kind of like, oh, you wanted another one year war show, but this time it's all Zeon. Here you go. Doesn't really matter. [00:48:58] Speaker B: Yeah, no it doesn't. It is. I think the biggest disappointment is the fact that like its inclusion to the European war, like the European theater is basically like Zeon was there. [00:49:10] Speaker A: There was a Gundam there too. Didn't you know? [00:49:12] Speaker B: Guess what, Zeon? Yeah, Zeon realized. Oh shit. We're from space. They're on Earth. We're on Earth now. It's their territory. They know it better than we do. We kind of fucked up. Leave. And that's kind of all it is. Which is like, yeah, you could have just. That's like most scenarios. Like, I don't know why it'd be any different, but, like, it is very much paint by numbers in places, but has enough of a uniqueness in certain choices in, like, showing designs or, like, what we're seeing visually in, like, cockpits or how the animation goes. There is something here. [00:49:51] Speaker A: I just don't think it's like. Unfortunately, I think all of the best aspects of the show are entirely, like, superficial. Like, yes, I think it's fun to see alternate designs of different aspects of the world and the technology. And that was cool. And just seeing mobile suits in 3D animation that's not from 2001 is cool. But yeah, in terms of storytelling or thematic contributions to what the UC is all about, there's no ethos here. There's no real attempt to say anything or do anything that hasn't been done before. [00:50:32] Speaker B: We get two women with very bright colored hair, which is again, takes a long time in regular Gundam shows to have more than just one woman with pink hair or one woman with red, very red hair. And we have Iria, and I think it's Arhun or Aru, something like that woman. [00:50:51] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:50:53] Speaker B: She has probably one of the most hewn. She's got, like, one of the most unique accents out of all. Like, clearly sounds like she has an accent in a real life or is like, trying to put on an accent in the performance. [00:51:07] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:51:08] Speaker B: And it's like what she shows. There's even a funny moment. I do not think it's intentional because, like, I don't know if they really thought about it this far and into it especially. But like, there's a moment in the fifth episode where they go like, oh, they're gonna know it's us because of our space noid accents. And it's like in an. In a. You know, and if it was in double Zeta and they said that'd be an intentional joke. But, like, in this, it's like, guys, you all just sound the same. [00:51:35] Speaker A: Right? [00:51:36] Speaker B: There's no, like, you're not putting Twain. Like, there's been. Like, there are other series where it's like, they will find a way to do that in terms of, like, putting it in American sense of like, this is this region of Japan accent versus this region of Japan's accent of, like, this is, like, in the weakest way possible. Maybe a country Japanese accent, quote unquote. Even if it's not, it's just trying to get. Get across. Like, they sound different, they sound funny. And they also, like, don't really push on the whole thing of, like, they do in the first episode of what. When. In terms of, like, the gravity of it all. The fact that, like, everyone from Zeon is basically, like, this planet sucks because, like, gravity sucks. Gravity is not the same on our space colonies. And I think that's something where. It's like, I'm currently in a place in Double Zeta where they're on Earth, and it's like they're starting to feel the ramifications of atmosphere, like the original atmosphere and, like, gravity and whatnot. And so to see it be, like, they kind of bring it up in the beginning, but then they kind of drop it. That's the. Like, the biggest issue with Requiem is. [00:52:42] Speaker A: Yeah, they'll have tiny little bits, but they won't really explore them. [00:52:48] Speaker B: Yeah. And I. Again, it's. It is one of those things where it's like, we have so much Gundam content that both Andy and I have yet to watch. And he's definitely above. I'm saying this now because we had. Evan said that I knew Gundam more than he did, and while I'm very flattered that he said that, that is, I think, objectively wrong, because I haven't. [00:53:10] Speaker A: Watched as much as Logan has, not memorized as many stupid robot names as I have. [00:53:16] Speaker B: I. I said Rick Diaz and Hyaku Shiki. I think that's a. What's the Cuba? [00:53:27] Speaker A: Big Zomb. Don't forget Big Zombig. [00:53:30] Speaker B: Zomb. It's funny, though, because what I think of Big Zomb, it's the original, like. [00:53:34] Speaker A: The Big Zam in the dub. Yeah. [00:53:36] Speaker B: The Big Sam. Yeah. No, but it was. Yeah. What's the one. That's the aquatic one that I hate. [00:53:43] Speaker A: Oh. [00:53:49] Speaker B: I hate the frog. The frog. If, like the. [00:53:52] Speaker A: Yes. Or there's the. There's the, like, evolution of it. The, like, light blue spindly one from War in the Pocket. The high goggles. That's pretty cool. Yeah, those. [00:54:02] Speaker B: Those. [00:54:02] Speaker A: Those. [00:54:03] Speaker B: Again, War in the Pocket made one of the dumb ones for the original. [00:54:06] Speaker A: Series look cooler by giving it tentacle arms. [00:54:10] Speaker B: I mean, it makes sense. Why not? If it's. If it's an anime, give it a tentacle arm. If it's robot, see if it makes it cooler. And it does. Yeah. It just. There's enough. There's. But there's enough content that we have yet to really watch that. Like, while I'm, you know, happy that they're still making modern Gundam content to a degree or they're like actively trying. [00:54:34] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:54:34] Speaker B: More Gundam content. I wish it was more thoughtful. I wish it was more interesting. [00:54:39] Speaker A: Put a little more effort in and maybe. [00:54:42] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:54:42] Speaker A: And that doesn't mean use a video game engine. I don't know. [00:54:46] Speaker B: Is it. [00:54:47] Speaker A: Is it five? [00:54:48] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:54:49] Speaker A: Hey, which, like, I guess I shouldn't. I mean, slag on that because I have seen some pretty impressive Unreal five animations and like, you know. [00:54:59] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:54:59] Speaker A: I mean, Fortnite done in Unreal 5. And that looks great. All the cutscenes and stuff in that look great. [00:55:05] Speaker B: But I think. I think Unreal has it in their claws that if you give someone pink hair or red hair, you have to make it look like good. [00:55:15] Speaker A: It's their anti claws. [00:55:19] Speaker B: Wait, no, I think it's the Zaku clause. It's just if you're. If you're doing anything to show Zion in a nice. In a nicer light, you have to. [00:55:26] Speaker A: Make it look worse. [00:55:28] Speaker B: The Gundam has to look better than every Zaku, but which, again, I love me a Zaku. I'm. I'm a simple man. Again, you give me a. You give me a. Give me a Blue Goof or just a normal Zaku with its goofy ass plasma. It's not plasma ax. [00:55:43] Speaker A: They call it the Heat Hawk. It's just. It's just a metal ax that heats up. Yeah. [00:55:48] Speaker B: God, is so good. It's so good. It's. It's just Gundam is so much fun. [00:55:52] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:55:53] Speaker B: And the show could be a lot more fun. The show could be so much more fun. And that doesn't mean it has to go super dark. Doesn't have. Doesn't mean it has to be like goofier. [00:56:04] Speaker A: Right. [00:56:04] Speaker B: It doesn't have to have like a robot that is constantly like bugging everybody. It's just like. To really like push. Like this is a part of the theater of the One Year War you've never seen. And to just be like, I could write this in a Mad Lib. [00:56:20] Speaker A: Right. [00:56:22] Speaker B: It is like you could push more if you wanted. Like, if they were worried about like continuity guys, then don't do it in the One Year War. [00:56:31] Speaker A: Right. [00:56:31] Speaker B: Like, do it like in that span of time in between when Amuro sleeping. [00:56:36] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:56:36] Speaker B: When he's. We can't leave. When he can't leave his condo. [00:56:39] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:56:39] Speaker B: Like do something else. And I mean, again, if it gets a season two, like it would be kind of if it. If it's like a season two and it's not still in the One Year War, like it's post. [00:56:51] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:56:52] Speaker B: Again, there's so much. There's so much untapped potential. And I think the One Year War has been tapped so many times that you really have to do something super unique and doesn't when you're just. Yeah, it's. Yeah, it's especially when like again, when you're doing like, hey, maybe not everyone in Zeon is the biggest piece of shit in the world. And maybe the Gundam can be scary from their point of view is like, guys, that season, that's. [00:57:22] Speaker A: That's the elementary shit. [00:57:25] Speaker B: That is basically like the best stuff in the first series is like touching that like in multiple ways. That first series. I think there's at least five or six different arcs that are just invested in like Omro meets this kind of cool guy. He's very well designed and not like everyone else. Maybe he's a pilot. [00:57:47] Speaker A: Yeah, right. [00:57:49] Speaker B: And it just keeps happening like that and just. It's a bummer that in this I have. I was like, I wonder how they're going to find a way to get that to happen with the kid in Iria. And it happened so late that it's like, well, it doesn't matter. [00:58:01] Speaker A: Kill him. [00:58:02] Speaker B: And it's also shocking to have a Gundam series that has so many expendable people that don't die. I mean, again, Chubbs and Chubbs and Bleach haired man do die early on. [00:58:16] Speaker A: But yeah, survives, I guess. [00:58:19] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. And LaShawn gets a rad death. [00:58:22] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:58:22] Speaker B: I think for someone who is making bad decisions for like two episodes, gets a better death than he probably deserves. But it's. It very much is like, you know, Alfie, Arun, even the Doctor, like the Doctor kind of goes like at a certain point his whole arc, I can't really call it a real arc, but like just to have our room be like, they keep killing her people. This is why we have to keep fighting. And the doctors, like, I know like you both are doing shit. And it's like. And then he doesn't really push on it a lot. And then by the end of it they're like, you're all right, Doctor. It's like, okay guys. It's fucking as the guys like, again, it's one of those things where it's like anything that Zeon does, especially when you're aware of the lore leading up to the one Year War. Anytime you do something like this, you have to constantly think about the fact that you have to answer the yeah, okay, but how am I supposed to forget they dropped a fucking exactly onto Australia and they're fighting for the people that. [00:59:28] Speaker A: You're not gonna reckon with that at all. Come on. [00:59:31] Speaker B: Yeah. And the best Gundam content reckons with it really interesting and really interestingly where it's just like it's a. You know, they compromise it or they just kind of like ignore the aspect. It's an us versus them mentality a lot of the time. Which. I know it sounds basic, but in the best stuff handles it really well and is like. I mean, even 8th Ms. Has like the Star Crossed Lovers kind of angle of it being like a Z on and Fed kind of relationship to a degree. And so even that is like, yes. We've never seen Star Cross Lovers thing in any kind of media. It's like. No, we have. Yeah, we have. But it's fun to kind of see it in this kind of light. And it would have been kind of cool to have more of a Cold War y maybe vibe. [01:00:20] Speaker A: Oh yeah. [01:00:20] Speaker B: Like Zeon people like Xeon soldiers having to be undercover and having to just basically become friends with feds that they'll ultimately either have to kill or betray just at a baseline. Like, that's. That's some. [01:00:35] Speaker A: But instead it's just like part of one episode of. You know, it's just a plot mover device to do that. It's like it's. [01:00:42] Speaker B: Yeah, it's basically one guy being like, I have to be confident and lie to this person. And he does. And then doesn't hold that live airlock. He just starts wailing and shooting outside his window. [01:00:52] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah, it's. [01:00:56] Speaker B: Yeah, Gundam Requiem is. [01:00:59] Speaker A: It's okay. [01:01:01] Speaker B: Yeah, it's okay. Of all the things that here, this is another thing that is funny as. Of all the things that Gundam is on Netflix that you have watch. It's probably. It's one of the weaker ones. I would agree with you. It's like. Yeah, I would probably agree with you. It's probably the weakest thing I've seen in the uc. But it's not bad. It's just forgettable. [01:01:28] Speaker A: Yeah, that's Gundam Requiem for Vengeance. See, what are we. We just had our last. Last main trilogy episode was just last week. Pekula's Paranoia Trilogy, in case you weren't, you know, feeling on edge enough from the election already. And up next, I think next week we've got. Got our. Another guest spot. From our friend Matt Hurt doing the We Do Shakespeare trilogy with us. So which those movies were a lot of us explore. [01:02:08] Speaker B: Yeah, that was a lot. That was very much because again we were. We initially used that trilogy is like a fill in spot for like more guest stars. Something we've wanted to do for a little bit. And honestly after the Paranoia trilogy. Yeah, yeah, it was very much. And it's a fun conversation and also bit of a spoiler. One of our longest episodes ever done. So there's a lot of fun conversations there and yeah, I think the next thing that they'll probably see from us. I don't know if you have any articles. [01:02:38] Speaker A: Yeah, you know I have some. Well I might. I'll say this, I might review Heretic between Now and the Kurosawa trilogy. So maybe keep an eye out for that. But yeah, I guess look out on November 16 for the Kurosawa Shakespeare trilogy and keep your eyes peeled on our socials for any other reviews and things we might do. But until then, I'm Andy. [01:03:12] Speaker B: And I'm Logan. [01:03:13] Speaker A: Thanks so much for listening. Bye.