Episode 84: The Deadpool Trilogy

[00:00:19] Speaker A: Hello, everyone, and welcome to odd trilogies with Logan and Andy. I'm Logan Sowash. [00:00:23] Speaker B: And I'm Andy Carr. [00:00:24] Speaker A: And on odd trilogies, we take a tree with films, whether tied by cast and crew, numerical order, thematic elements. We take each film and discuss the good, the bad, and the weird surrounding them. And today, we are doing a pretty straightforward trilogy to an extent, but is also a trilogy that, while it does have, technically, a one, two, and a three, everything in between, in terms of the production, is what makes it such an odd trilogy. [00:00:51] Speaker B: Yes, a tumultuous backstory. [00:00:53] Speaker A: Oh, a tumultuous backstory that either, depending on who you ask, says is more like, well, if you want to get the full backstory of this trilogy, do you want to watch the five films that'll at least get you some context, or do you want to watch the 20 films that'll give you the quote, unquote, legacy that this film is really kind of the trilogy is talking about? And we are talking about the Deadpool trilogy, which is, of course, 20. Sixteen's Deadpool 20, eighteen's Deadpool two, and this year's Deadpool and Wolverine, a film that is only at this point, as we are recording, even though we always record live, has barely been out for over a week. And the response to that film has been so fascinating to both of us that when we comes to the conversation of that film, when we get to it, there will be some disclaimers as well as some context as to where we stand on that. But until then, let's get right into the first of our trilogy, a film that is basically from the early two thousands on a development hell project up until 2016. Because in case no one really knows, Deadpool is a, you know, notoriously Rob Liefeld cartoon character, or cartoon character, comic book character. That was a super pseudo nineties. [00:02:13] Speaker B: Yeah. Created in the nineties as part of that kind of wave of uber edgy Marvel superheroes. [00:02:22] Speaker A: Lots of belts, lots of muscles, ammo pouches, lack of feet, which you'll constantly get jokes about. And this is because Rob Bleifeeld, as an artist, was notorious for not knowing how to draw feet. [00:02:34] Speaker B: Correct. [00:02:34] Speaker A: Compared to muscular systems. [00:02:36] Speaker B: Yeah. But he was originally kind of just like a Deathstroke knockoff. Deathstroke, the assassin from DC. But he, Deadpool kind of quickly got turned into something else, which is this kind of loudmouth, rapid fire jokester we know today. [00:02:55] Speaker A: Yeah. If you didn't know that Wade Wilson was a parody on DC Slade Wilson, I think that sentence I just said should make it pretty clear that while Deadpool. Deadpool's memey nature, I don't think, really comes into effect until the two thousands. [00:03:11] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. [00:03:11] Speaker A: It really is in that era, clearly the nineties, that is where, like, there is still a bit of a reference in terms of the. The silliness of that era caked into that character, even when he was at that time, more of an antihero that would just pop in and out. Kind of like the Punisher for a lot of comic book characters, but more sadistic. And, I mean, in other comics, Deadpool has been an antagonist to, like, Spider man. He has been antagonist to Wolverine, which we'll talk about a little bit later. [00:03:43] Speaker B: Right. [00:03:43] Speaker A: He has, you know, been an asshole to plenty of Marvel superheroes. [00:03:48] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:03:49] Speaker A: And is never really the one that. He's never the superhero that anyone goes to to be like, hey, can you help us with this team up? [00:03:57] Speaker B: Right. Cause he's a. He's a wild card, ultimately. [00:04:00] Speaker A: And rogue, his most iconic, at least in the. Especially in the two thousands and the 2010s, his most iconic run is like, deadpool kills the Marvel universe. [00:04:08] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:04:09] Speaker A: Like, he's. He's just a memey piece of shit that it just. He pops in and out, talks to the audience. [00:04:16] Speaker B: Yeah. He's kind of like a second generation she Hulk where, you know, because they both have that fourth wall break thing where they. They kind of, you know, talk to the audience and acknowledge that they're in a comic book and that sort of thing. But I think, you know, they. They kind of take advantage of his insanity as a character to kind of amp that up a lot more. [00:04:37] Speaker A: Oh, absolutely. [00:04:38] Speaker B: Than, like, she Hulk does. [00:04:40] Speaker A: Again, in case you also didn't know that she Hulk. Yes. Was basically a very, like, early on, very deadpool esque without it being as memey or silly. [00:04:51] Speaker B: Yeah. Still definitely edgy, for sure, but yeah, yeah. A little bit more sexually charged, a little bit more sassy and. Yeah. Breaking the fourth wall and stuff. [00:05:00] Speaker A: Yeah. And in the early two thousands, even before Ryan Reynolds is attached to a certain superhero project that he will, you know, not Green Lantern, but will definitely constantly be referencing when it comes to this trilogy. [00:05:13] Speaker B: Right. [00:05:14] Speaker A: In the early two thousands, he actually was talking to Fox. So I'm thinking, like, van Wilder, just friends era. Ryan Reynolds was talking to Fox in terms of working with David es Goyer. [00:05:27] Speaker B: To write, impossibly direct David Eskoyer of Batman and Superman and all sorts of movies. [00:05:37] Speaker A: Classic Martian Manhunter's a bitch. David Eskoyer, who also said that she Hulk is, I think he said she was only known because she was a fuckable Hulk or something like that. [00:05:49] Speaker B: David Esquire has some takes. [00:05:51] Speaker A: He does have some takes. And what's also kind of funny to think about their partnership is while that Deadpool film doesn't come into fruition due to Fox being very iffy in terms of an X Men spinoff in the early two thousands, even though by that point, X two had probably already come out and was a huge hit, they decided to go off and do another, actually a superhero sequel together, which is Blade Trinity, which we will maybe at some point talk about on this podcast. Because of all the Blade films, that is the one that is clearly the oddest and has some of the funniest stories attached to it. But, yeah, they go off and they do Blade Trinity together. And that movies Blade Trinity. So you know how that. Yeah, probably goes. Does not do well for either one of them, really. And then ultimately, after Blade Trinity, which is like 0607, is when Fox decides we're gonna do a spin off with Wolverine and ultimately become X Men Origins Wolverine. And guess what, Ryan Reynolds, you'll get your chance to finally be Deadpool in this film, because we want X Men Wolverine to be a film that is so popular that all the characters that show up in this film possibly could get their own spinoff right, which again, as well, similar to Blade Trinity. If you've seen X Men Origins Wolverine, especially their version of Deadpool, you will know that the fans and most critics, in fact, I think most people who saw that film were not too kind to that film for good reason. [00:07:18] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:07:19] Speaker A: Especially when it comes to the fact that the Merc with the mouth is what, you know, Deadpool is known for, didn't have a fucking mouth when he shows. [00:07:26] Speaker B: Literally took his mouth in Dead. [00:07:28] Speaker A: In X Men Origins Wolverine. And so for the first decade of the 21st century, most people, probably people that were not comic book fans, knew Deadpool maybe as a Reynolds beloved character that he always wanted to put on screen, as well as just a fucking weird guy that also had swords for hands and no mouth. Like it. [00:07:52] Speaker B: Yeah, and laser eyes. [00:07:53] Speaker A: Yeah. And I mean, around this time, too, it's not like you mean. I mean, Deadpool was doing pretty well, was doing pretty prominent, more in the comics than usual. [00:08:01] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:08:01] Speaker A: And he also was showing up in video games. He was showing up in even cartoon series later on, like, he was starting to grow more in other spaces except for the film space, until. 20 14. 20 13. 20 14. [00:08:21] Speaker B: Right. [00:08:21] Speaker A: Which again, we're not even actually talking about the first film yet. We have to get through this whole little timeline to get even to the first Deadpool. Yeah, but in 2014, there is a leaked footage of entirely cg. [00:08:39] Speaker B: Yeah, like CGI test footage of Deadpool. [00:08:42] Speaker A: Because at a certain point, even after Origins flops. Because the thing, too, about X Men Wolverine is that basically, when X Men Wolverine is towards the end, even though that production is an absolute shit show for so many different reasons, Fox still wanted to have at least three film spin off from that movie, which was an X Men Origins Magneto film, which I believe at some point basically just transformed into X Men first class. [00:09:10] Speaker B: Right, right. [00:09:11] Speaker A: Which that movie fucking rips. So at least that survived. Gambit film starring Taylor Kitsch. [00:09:18] Speaker B: New rich plays him in the early origins. [00:09:21] Speaker A: Yes, Taylor kitsch from Friday Night Lights. And, you know, everyone's favorite, you know, big blockbuster that totally did well, John Carter as the titular John Carter. And then, of course, they wanted to actually do a Deadpool film as a continuation of the origins Wolverine, Deadpool, which, of course, doesn't go anywhere. [00:09:40] Speaker B: Well, you know, it's a shame they didn't try to do a will I am spinoff film. [00:09:45] Speaker A: They kill their own kind. Logan. Oh, my lord. I don't think. How long is it? Actually, that's a good thing to kind of take a break from this timeline. First. How long has it been since you've seen X Men Wolverine? [00:09:56] Speaker B: Oh. [00:09:57] Speaker A: Cause I know when I've seen it. [00:09:59] Speaker B: When did it come out? 2012. [00:10:01] Speaker A: That was. I think it was 2010. [00:10:02] Speaker B: 2010? [00:10:03] Speaker A: Because. No, because first class, I believe, is 29. Yeah. Because I think 2011 is when first class comes out. [00:10:10] Speaker B: Yeah. So Origins is 2009, which means I was in middle school when it came out, so I was probably still in high school the last time I watched it. I think I've seen it twice. [00:10:20] Speaker A: Okay. Cause I think I've seen it three, four times. I think the last time I saw Origins was when apocalypse was coming out. And I hadn't seen the series in a very long time. And I had a buddy in college who was like, I don't think I've ever seen the X Men films. And I'm like, dude, if you wanna see apocalypse with me, let's fucking go. Let's watch all these movies. And I remember watching through. Cause I saw origins in theaters. I remember seeing that in theaters. I remember being jazzed for that film. Cause again, Hugh Jackman as Wolverine, while there are definitely conversations in terms of the accuracy to the comics and whatnot, the X Men films. Cause we'll definitely keep talking about him throughout this whole thing because Hugh Jackman's Wolverine is just a prominent force in all of these movies. [00:11:05] Speaker B: Yeah, the whole franchise does a lot of writing on the Hugh Jackman's talent and charisma and love of the character. [00:11:15] Speaker A: Hugh Jackman as a huge jacked man is really what lied, like, leads the Fox universe more so than I think he ever wanted to. But it was never saying no to. [00:11:27] Speaker B: Because, I mean, Wolverine was definitely a fan favorite before the movies. Oh, absolutely. His take on the character and how the movie's treatment of the character really just catapulted him even further into being, like, everyone's idea of who the main X Man is. Even though Cyclops was the team leader and Rogue was always a super prominent character and Xavier and Magneto, of course, Storm. [00:11:53] Speaker A: Yeah, it really, I think it was probably last stand. It was X three that basically was like, because with X Men one. That's right, X Men was a good way to use Logan as an introduction to the X Men proper. And then X two, of course they do the Weapon X story that everyone loves, its classic Wolverine story. X three. Really focusing him as the leader of the X Men, I think was the first time a lot of people are like, oh, I didn't realize how much of these movies were just Hugh Jackman holding the foundation of everything surrounding it. [00:12:27] Speaker B: Yeah, well, it doesn't help that they just, like, continuously shank Cyclops in all those movies. [00:12:31] Speaker A: Oh, my God. [00:12:32] Speaker B: Especially the third one. [00:12:34] Speaker A: Yes. Oh, James Marsden. Gosh, he is something about him as Cyclops or just like, screams not bringing him back as Cyclops in the MCU, but just like, whatever. Like, in my head, it's like if James Marston came back as, like, whoever they picked, Cyclops is like, dad. I was like, yeah, at least bring him back. Give him some love. [00:12:54] Speaker B: He did. He deserved better. [00:12:56] Speaker A: He definitely deserved better. Especially now that we're in a peak Cyclops gambit, you know, with X Men 97. [00:13:03] Speaker B: Yeah, again. [00:13:05] Speaker A: Yeah. And so to go to the point where, like, towards the end of, you know, origins Wolverine, you know, they're not going to stop making X Men films, but they're certainly not going to make any X Men films that may or may not have Logan in them. Right. Ryan Reynolds basically teams up with director Tim Miller. [00:13:24] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:13:24] Speaker A: Who at the time really was known for his animation work. [00:13:29] Speaker B: Yeah. He wasn't like a director really. [00:13:32] Speaker A: He was. [00:13:33] Speaker B: Yeah. On various parts of the tech crew for, like, animation. [00:13:37] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. And he actually has some experience, I believe, in, like, Activision Blizzard Cinematics and other big game cinematics he was involved in at the time and got basically attached to Reynolds in some way, shape, or form. And they decided to work together to make a test footage that ultimately would become the opening of the 2016 film, which we didn't know at the time, but basically just did, like a freeways suv fight. That's like less than five minutes. [00:14:09] Speaker B: Is it that short? I thought it was like a ten minute video. I think you might be right. [00:14:12] Speaker A: It's very fast because I just rewatched it, but I don't remember the actual timeframe. I just was like, you know, in. It was funny. Just like, in the last few days of. Just like, every other thing I see is Deadpool and Wolverine. [00:14:25] Speaker B: It's two minutes long. [00:14:26] Speaker A: It was wild to watch. Like, look, on my YouTube recommended, hey, Deadpool test leak footage. [00:14:31] Speaker B: Right? [00:14:31] Speaker A: And then I rewatched it and was like, gosh, this is so simple. [00:14:34] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:14:34] Speaker A: And so silly and so fun. And that basically lit up the Internet in a way that, like, Fox didn't expect. And also, Fox was pissed because Fox didn't know who leaked it. And technically, we don't really have. We haven't. We don't necessarily know, even though someone's particular has said, well, maybe it was me, but I think we don't. [00:14:58] Speaker B: Yeah, we don't officially know who leaked it, but it was like, 100% Ryan Reynolds. [00:15:03] Speaker A: Yes. It basically was like, fox narrowed it down to, like, one Fox person, Tim Miller and Ryan Reynolds. And I think it's pretty clear by the time they even make, like, do production on the first Deadpool film, they were very much well aware that the highest likelihood is probably Ryan Reynolds. And to be honest, considering how much this man has been fighting to do a Deadpool film, even in the early years of, like, Deadpool's popularity in just, like, pop culture, as well as just his own career. Because again, by this point, by the time x Men Wolverine is already out, he has done. He's been the rom.com guy. He has done a bunch of just, you know, kind of raunchy comedies. I mean, Van Wilder waiting. He does just friends. He does. God, it just. He does play Trinity. He has his goatee era. He does these independent films. He's all over the place in terms of just, like, what he does, but he's everywhere, right? Then he becomes people's sexiest man alive. After Hugh Jackman, I believe, in 2010. And in between Origins, Wolverine and Deadpool, he also does a little film that he totally has forgotten and doesn't talk about any time he talks about Deadpool, but Green Lantern. Right, which also was another box, a blockbuster flop that had his face on it in some way, shape or form. Even though it was mainly CGI eyes and a mass, it was his face on it. And so going to this test footage and knowing that it probably was Reynolds, it makes perfect sense where this man is just like, I have tried so fucking hard to get to this point. [00:16:44] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:16:45] Speaker A: I do not give a fuck what the repercussions are. I just want to see, I want people to be excited for a film that I think would be a lot of fun. [00:16:53] Speaker B: Yeah. And it worked. That was kind of a fascinating time to be a geek on the Internet. [00:16:59] Speaker A: Oh, my God. Yeah. [00:17:00] Speaker B: Right around that time, maybe even before the test footage. Probably before the test footage would make sense. But I remember there being a leaked script. I don't know if you ever saw that. [00:17:13] Speaker A: Of Deadpool? [00:17:13] Speaker B: Of Deadpool. No, I did not see that feature length script. The entire script posted online. Nobody knew if it was real or fake. But as I found out later, like, there are scenes in that script that are in the movie. It's not entirely. The whole movie is not one to one to that script. So it's clearly an early draft, but, like, the pizza delivery scene is in that script. [00:17:36] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:17:37] Speaker B: And, yeah, I remember, like, must have been early high school or something. I found that and read it and was like, holy shit, they're trying to make a Deadpool movie, which is crazy. [00:17:49] Speaker A: I got it. Yeah. [00:17:50] Speaker B: Again, this looks actually good. [00:17:52] Speaker A: It seems like. It seems so silly to say now because it's only about a decade ago, a little over like ten to 15 years ago, but it was being a nerd during the late two thousands, early 2010s Comic Con era of, like, not actually seeing anything. [00:18:10] Speaker B: Right. [00:18:11] Speaker A: But only hearing because I still remember watching people come out of hall h when Iron man first showed footage. [00:18:18] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:18:19] Speaker A: People losing their minds. [00:18:20] Speaker B: I used to be a lot more sacred. [00:18:22] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:18:22] Speaker B: About, like, holding off on showing the public that stuff. [00:18:26] Speaker A: And it was like that up until, like, 2018 because I remember Batman v. Superman. I remember when they, you know, they showed the clip, right, of him hovering. Like, you only showed that because people were ripping it in the thief. Like, people were just phone screens. [00:18:41] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:18:41] Speaker A: And just cell phone footage. And it's like, to think that that was only eight years ago, right. And now it's like, literally, you know. [00:18:49] Speaker B: Exactly what was shown in hall h minutes after it happened. [00:18:52] Speaker A: They're posting on fucking Instagram minutes after it happened. [00:18:56] Speaker B: Yeah. And they're almost like, there's no reason to go anymore, really. [00:19:00] Speaker A: Honestly, it's probably one of the reasons why III is fucking dead. [00:19:03] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:19:03] Speaker A: For, like, video games, Comic Con. Honestly, if it wasn't for those big product, like, I would match the same. But, yeah, going through that test footage being released and Fox going through this whole thing of being like, okay, now the ball is in our court. Do we even think about doing this? Ultimately, they're being. They were convinced. [00:19:25] Speaker B: Yeah, it was like, two months later, like, the test footage leaked, and then two months later, Fox was like, okay, fine, we're doing it. [00:19:31] Speaker A: They gave the film a mid sized budget. [00:19:34] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:19:35] Speaker A: And they said, all right, tim. All right, Ryan, go make Deadpool. And here we are nearly 20 minutes into this episode, and we're finally talking about the film. [00:19:46] Speaker B: It's a journey. It is a journey to get to Deadpool. [00:19:48] Speaker A: And the reason why it's more of a journey than the actual, because the actual film itself is so straightforward. It's crass, it's gory, it's silly. It is dated in a lot of places in the script, as well as in its approaches to things, as well as the stuff that they're talking about. Like, the funny thing, too, about these films is, like, these films basically lose luster little by little every hour. The time passes because, well, and I. [00:20:16] Speaker B: Think they get across the trilogy one, two, three, get progressively worse about that because they become more and more reliant on timely references. [00:20:27] Speaker A: We'll definitely get to that with Deadpool and Wolverine. That is. That is a movie that exists in a space where I don't understand how anyone who could just walk into that movie and have only seen one and two even understand or enjoy what the fuck is going on. Yeah, because that movie is not just it. That movie being Deadpool three. [00:20:49] Speaker B: It's a sequel to three different franchises. [00:20:51] Speaker A: Yes. [00:20:52] Speaker B: Some of them with over a dozen movies. [00:20:53] Speaker A: And weirdly enough, it still works on some level, but we'll get to that. But, yeah, Deadpool one is at a time where X Men, you know, in 2016, around that time is when Hugh Jackman is admitting, he's officially saying literally days, weeks before Deadpool comes out. Hugh Jackman says that Logan will be his last film as Wolverine. [00:21:17] Speaker B: Right. [00:21:18] Speaker A: As this movie comes out. And you would note, watching Deadpool, you clearly don't really like, again, if you don't know the context surrounding how X Men at this point is in a weird spot where Fox is basically trying to make their own MCU with just X Men, which could you do absolutely. But clearly that was never the intention when, you know, the last five to six films were made. And so the last next, you know, seven, eight, nine films that are, like, the next few films are coming out of it clearly are going to be, you know, get hurt because of this choice. And around this time, where X Men is having a bit of an identity crisis, when cinematic universes are becoming the new trend with studios. Yeah, here comes Deadpool coming in, going, I don't know, are you taking me to McAvoy or Stewart? These timelines are so confusing. And then it's like, that's all you need to do. Like, it, like, it's like this weird thing of just, like, he just makes one noted notion about how stupidly convoluted these movies are. [00:22:17] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:22:17] Speaker A: And you go, okay, that's fun. And then you can go in and enjoy the time. And honest to God, while the film has its own. Again, the best part about this movie is that all the issues that this film has is, like, its actual issues. What do we. [00:22:32] Speaker B: What do you mean? [00:22:33] Speaker A: Like, in Deadpool, Wolverine. It's like the issues that go into that are just, like, so subtextual or just, like, in a way that it's. [00:22:39] Speaker B: Just, like, kind of abstract. [00:22:41] Speaker A: How the fuck do you really, you know, talk about this without having to refer, like, well, it's like, in Deadpool one. It's like the way that self contained. [00:22:49] Speaker B: Itself contain its flaws and its strengths. [00:22:52] Speaker A: Yes. [00:22:52] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:22:52] Speaker A: Like, where it's like, in the film, it is. You know, there are issues in terms of how the narrative is done because it's like, you know, anytime the Deadpool is on screen in modern day, it's a lot of fun. It's a blast. It's the best part of the film. And then anytime it cuts to flashback stuff, well, I do not hate it, and I feel like I've warmed up to it with each viewing. It is the weakest stuff because it does take a good chunk of the film to really get to what we've already seen at that point. Yeah, because it. [00:23:21] Speaker B: Yeah, it does the kind of. It's not exactly this, but it's kind of the. Opens with the record scratch, freeze frame, and then. Yeah, it dives back and rewinds until you catch up. And, yeah, it does take a while to get there. I hadn't really thought about that. [00:23:34] Speaker A: And instead of, like, just doing the whole flashback in one fail swoop, it just keeps going, cutting back and forth with pieces. Very Dunkirk esque, I guess, is the way you could say it. [00:23:45] Speaker B: I mean, Nolan esque filmmaker Tim Miller. [00:23:47] Speaker A: Yes, of course. With his, you know, his. His Hans Zimmer junkie XL. Oh, yes. His best. Honestly, I still think the Deadpool score is the best junkie XL score we've ever gotten. I love the maximum effort track. I still listen to that track pretty frequently. Yeah, it's the track that happens during the suv fight. Fucking love that track. But it really is just like, when you look at it, the film is without the flashbacks. It is the suv fight. Him not getting what he wanted, being pissy and sad about it, his girlfriend getting kidnapped, and then the finale. Yeah, it really is very cut and dry. Very straightforward, very little in between. [00:24:31] Speaker B: Very little, like, real time. [00:24:33] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:24:34] Speaker B: Events. Yeah. [00:24:35] Speaker A: And it's kind of honest to God, especially because going into this trilogy together, I mean, we both had seen all three of these films, of course, going into this. Why wouldn't we? But, like, I have seen this one enough times that, like, when we saw Deadpool, Wolverine together, you had already rewatched one and two, but I hadn't. So I rewatched one and two after we saw Deadpool and Wolverine, because in my head, I thought, well, if push comes to shove, I can just go back to the one I like the most and then just go through the ones like that. And going back to Deadpool one, especially after watching Deadpool and Wolverine, it's just like, oh, my God. This is just so simple. It's so crass. It's so stupid in the best way. I'm having such a fun time. [00:25:16] Speaker B: Yeah, well, it's. It's. Appeal is obvious. [00:25:19] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:25:19] Speaker B: It's like. [00:25:20] Speaker A: Absolutely. [00:25:20] Speaker B: It's. [00:25:21] Speaker A: It's teenage boys that can sneak into r rated films. [00:25:25] Speaker B: Yeah. Well, and it's also, you know, nerds. [00:25:27] Speaker A: Who know way too much about the ins and outs of comic book film production. [00:25:33] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, even though Deadpool had been a popular character for. [00:25:36] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:25:37] Speaker B: You know, well over a decade at that point. Like, a mainstream. Fairly mainstream character for, like, a decade at that point. The movie is a. Is incredibly novel, I think, for its time. I mean, you know, not. Not the first r rated superhero movie, but it is the first, like, kind of. It's like a, like, first kind of light hearted r rated superhero movie. Like, most of the previous r rated ones are, like, really dark or grim or, like, you know, or worst case. [00:26:11] Speaker A: Scenario, they were turned into pg 13. [00:26:13] Speaker B: Or they were edited in the pg 13, much weaker. And this is just out and out. It knows, like, okay, we're gonna do a pretty typical superhero movie that everybody can get behind. We're just gonna make it really violent and really vulgar and really irreverent. [00:26:29] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:26:29] Speaker B: And, and that's a very, you know, that it's palpable that that appeal is immediately, especially after the convoluted franchise that it's spawned from. [00:26:40] Speaker A: Oh, especially. Especially the fact, too, that it's like when this film is out. Days of Future past had already been a huge hit for X Men. Yeah, Apocalypse has already was on the way to be out that year, if not the new year after that. [00:26:54] Speaker B: Yeah, apocalypse was like May after this came out in February. [00:26:57] Speaker A: And Logan already was basically getting a lot of buzz before it became the best X Men film we've ever gotten. And so it's like in between all of this shit where X Men's doing pretty fucking well, you have a Deadpool movie that honest to God is like, I think, a good textbook in terms of, like, how to do a really good, enjoyable origin story without having to feel like everything around it that could, you know, bog it down in terms of cinematic universe or cameos or, you know, this and that. It doesn't because. And the fact of the matter is, the reason why it doesn't is because Fox didn't give it a huge budget and was constantly slashing the budget. And every ounce of Deadpool is basically Tin Miller, Ryan Reynolds, the writers, everyone that's involved in that film oozing passion to make a good movie. And what we get is a really fucking good movie out of that. [00:27:51] Speaker B: Yeah. And I mean, I think it helps that, you know, probably in part because of those budgetary restrictions and things, a lot of, a lot of the, like, referential stuff is either. I mean, there are some kind of timely, you know, inside baseball jokes in there, but, like, for the most part, it's. It's references and jokes about, like, pretty established, well known tenets of, like, the world of the X Men characters dating back to the comics, not just about the movies and stuff like that. And obviously, the X Men franchise was hugely iconic and influential throughout the two thousands and early 2010s. [00:28:33] Speaker A: But I think it, I mean, it's a film that I think does a great job of something that, you know, the later films, especially Deadpool and Wolverine, I think loses this in. But in terms of, like, just showing, not telling the appeal of a character in a way where it's just like, Deadpool's physical comedy solely out of the fact that he does not care about his bodily functions, where he's literally, the Colossus fight is still so much fun. Where he is literally breaking every limb, smashing himself, smashing every limb in his body, just to get pissed at Colossus, even though he can't fight back. [00:29:12] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:29:13] Speaker A: And he's like, that ends with him 127 hours in his hand, which leads to blood getting splattered on colossus. And he goes, oh, here's the money shot, baby. And then jumps and runs like, it just like. [00:29:26] Speaker B: Yeah, well, he's like bugs Bunny. [00:29:28] Speaker A: He is. [00:29:29] Speaker B: He just comes in and kind of ruins the. The epic heroism of all these other characters and, you know, pokes holes in all of it. [00:29:39] Speaker A: Or just even though the fact that, like, all the fourth wall breaks, you'd expect, especially with the test footage, because there is fourth wall breaks constantly in the test footage, but it's like you'd expect that it would constantly just be him. It would be a turn to the camera record scratch. Now he's going to talk to the audience when sometimes it is literally like the first real fourth wall break we get is that he finds a piece of gum in the taxi and he tries to flick it off his finger, and it hits the camera lens, and he tries to scrape it off. [00:30:08] Speaker B: Right. [00:30:08] Speaker A: Or, like, later. They're just moments. And he does this throughout the whole series. It's probably one of my favorite. It's my favorite fourth wall break stuff from him where it's just either his crotch, like, he just is moving into something in his ass, or his crotch gets in the frame of the camera, or he just slow turns. [00:30:23] Speaker B: Yeah. And it's just a slow. I think there's a. I think it's in Deadpool, too. There's one where it's just a quick glance to the camera, just a knowing glance about something somebody else says. It's like he doesn't even have to make a comment. [00:30:38] Speaker A: He's just like, you know, well, the most iconic. Yeah, the most, you know, the most meme part of Deadpool two, when he does that is that. Well, that's just lazy. Right. [00:30:45] Speaker B: Well, there's that. [00:30:45] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, that's like, that's like constantly. There's little moments like that. And also, another thing that I think with Deadpool showed that even X Men had issues with at this very moment and still had issues with this in apocalypse and with dark Phoenix and all their other films after this literally took Deadpool and Wolverine to actually put one of the most iconic X Men in his actual fucking costumes. But, like, Deadpool is one of the best superhero costumes we've ever fucking gotten for a superhero. And the ingenuity of the fact that it's just an actual suit, but the face is, like, CGI to a degree. [00:31:22] Speaker B: Yeah, I think it's really just like, the eyes. Yeah. Cause, like, I think he can still move his mouth and stuff under the mask. [00:31:30] Speaker A: Yeah. Cause I think it's all. Basically, the suit is exactly the same, and there is a version of the suit with just white eyes. But I think a lot of the conversational stuff it is. The eyes are cut out, and there's just white or green dots just in the eye, kind of the brow frame, and that's just like, holy shit. We've had years and years of, like, studios being like, we can't do. [00:31:50] Speaker B: We can't do the mask. [00:31:51] Speaker A: We can't do the mask of, like, we can't do Batman or, like, Robin. We can't do those classic masks. [00:31:56] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:31:57] Speaker A: It would look stupid. And here comes Deadpool just being like, holy shit, this is so ingenious. This is literally all you had to fucking do. [00:32:03] Speaker B: Right, right. [00:32:04] Speaker A: And then they ultimately have done it later with other. Other projects. [00:32:08] Speaker B: Yeah, it's like, yeah, I mean, a year later, we get Spider man homecoming, which is the first Spider man with animated eyes. [00:32:13] Speaker A: Yes. Which is like. [00:32:14] Speaker B: And of course, in that they make it, like, a, you know, a canonical technological thing, but which is not saying. [00:32:20] Speaker A: That Deadpool is the reason why that exists, but it is clearly, like, when Deadpool does well. Yeah, it makes like, oh, thank God we can actually do that. [00:32:27] Speaker B: Right, right. [00:32:28] Speaker A: And not feel like we'll be judged. But, like. Yeah. The fact that deadpool, in a universe that started with jokes being like, what did you expect? Yellow spandex has a man in bright red spandex saying, I wear red because bad guys can't see me bleed. [00:32:43] Speaker B: Yeah, he wore the brown pants. [00:32:45] Speaker A: Yeah. And then, like, has jokes where it's like, we have a shot where someone shoots him through an arm, and we get a shot of seeing a guy through the shot in his arm. Yeah. [00:32:54] Speaker B: As it mends itself. [00:32:55] Speaker A: Yeah. It's like. I mean, at the time, it's like, it's no surprise that Fox is kind of iffy on the project initially, especially with the fact that, like, the reason why it only exists because they were strong armed to do it, but the fact that it's like, Tim Miller being a first time live action director and Reynolds basically trying to helm every aspect to make this work and basically make this a vanity project to a degree, but mainly a passion project, which we talked about most recently with Costner films, were just like, just because something's a big passion doesn't mean it actually will come together. [00:33:28] Speaker B: Right. Right. [00:33:29] Speaker A: You know, there is every. There is every chance that in another universe that this movie was a giant flop like origins and Green Lantern, but it wasn't. It actually was the highest grossing r rated film of its time. [00:33:42] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:33:43] Speaker A: It beat Passion of the Christ, and it constantly brought that up how it beat Jesus at the box office, which is the funniest shit in the world to hear that Deadpool is beat Jesus at the RA box office when it's true. Because, you know, I mean, is there, what other narrative things do would you want to talk about with the first Deadpool? [00:34:03] Speaker B: Because I think. I mean, I just think it's kind of. It's unsung strength is how well it works as an actual drama. Yeah, I do agree with that. Superhero drama and a romance. I mean, goddamn, this is the only movie in the trilogy where they actually spend time. [00:34:21] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:34:21] Speaker B: On the romance. And it's good like it is. Lorena Akron is really good in this movie. [00:34:26] Speaker A: Thank you for saying her name, because I was worried. [00:34:27] Speaker B: I don't know if that's how it's pronounced. [00:34:29] Speaker A: I was gonna say it the same way. [00:34:31] Speaker B: We'll stick with that. Yeah. Vanessa, his, his girlfriend, who's most notably. [00:34:36] Speaker A: From Firefly, as well as Fox's shitstorm dumpster. Fire Gotham. Right. She is phenomenal as a. As a co lead, as love interest. [00:34:47] Speaker B: And I mean, like, you know, the film, you know, I think there's merit to what you're saying about how kind of the. The back and forth time jumping, the flashbacks kind of makes the pacing awkward. But I do like that all that stuff is in there because it really, it really, I think bolsters the drama. So you, you know, you really hate this Ajax guy. [00:35:13] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:35:13] Speaker B: Ed screens villain character for torturing Wade and for, you know, ruining their happy relationship. And you really buy into their relationship because they, you know, they're just so fucking cute together. [00:35:25] Speaker A: Oh, my gosh. The whole. The sex progression. Seasons progression. Sex throughout the season, I completely always forget to cause, again, this is a film where it's like, this is a film that could shake the cheapest jokes all the way through. And technically, there is a film in this trilogy that takes the jeep as jokes and runs with it and still is successful. But I gotta say, the fact that this film has a lent joke, the best fucking lent joke I've ever seen in a film, and just, like, commits to the joke as well as, you know, International Women's Day. [00:36:00] Speaker B: Right. [00:36:00] Speaker A: A joke that is very well done. And also, unlike, you know, Deadpool and Wolverine, which also has a pegging joke and is constantly telling you, isn't it funny that there's a pegging joke? [00:36:09] Speaker B: Right. [00:36:10] Speaker A: The way that it's done in the. [00:36:11] Speaker B: First Deadpool is so he actually gets pegged. [00:36:13] Speaker A: Yeah. And it's so uncomfortable and it doesn't have to be said what is happening. [00:36:17] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:36:18] Speaker A: And it's. Oh, my gosh. Yeah. Vanessa is the best part of the. Of the flashbacks, I think when I think of, like, the reason why it kind of gets iffy is when she is out of the flashbacks a while. [00:36:30] Speaker B: Yeah, but, yeah. After they. What do they. They split up. I can't. [00:36:36] Speaker A: So basically, as they get together, and then he gets the diagnosis that he. [00:36:39] Speaker B: And then he goes into the program. [00:36:42] Speaker A: It's the. The program flashbacks, I believe, is where the flashbacks get the weakest in terms of, like, engagement. [00:36:49] Speaker B: Sure. [00:36:49] Speaker A: But everything before that, like the emote. I agree with you. Like, there's that great scene where he says, like, you know, when the diagnosis happens, he goes, you know, that's the thing I love about Vanessa, is, like, she's already on plan B, C, D, E, all the way to x while all the way to z, while I'm just trying to memorize the curves in her face. [00:37:06] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:37:07] Speaker A: A beautiful moment that is, like, genuinely well done and clearly shows that. Again, Reynolds and co. Care about this character more so than just the appeal of him being wacky. [00:37:18] Speaker B: It's self referential more than just snark. [00:37:20] Speaker A: And, you know, and again, I think the cast is also really fucking good in this movie, I think. [00:37:25] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, even he who shall not be named, I'll just say it. TJ Miller. Oh, yeah, he's great in this movie. He's a lot of fun. [00:37:34] Speaker A: I would even argue, like, his stuff has aged the worst just because that has been done to death for so many years. But I remember how funny it was. [00:37:41] Speaker B: Felt fresh at the time. [00:37:42] Speaker A: At the time. Yeah, yeah. And I still think his best joke in the film is, yeah, that guy wants to talk to you over there. I don't know, further the plot. And it's just, like, so casually brought up and he's. It's so funny and it's so well done and all the supporting cats, like, again, like, Ed screen is a good. Just a piece of shit. Gina Carano has a punchable face and is a really good side villain. Colossus. Actually being able to speak in an X Men film and actually right to be a character is delightful because he is so. [00:38:18] Speaker B: Yeah, he's a joke in the X Men movies. [00:38:21] Speaker A: He. Yeah, he is basically, he's all muscle, which, again, that is Colossus's thing. He's muscle for the team to a degree. But it's funny to think that it took because he gets. [00:38:31] Speaker B: I don't know how many appearances he has. [00:38:33] Speaker A: He gets introduced the next two. Yeah, in one scene. One scene. And then he, like, kind of shows up later, I think, to blow up the wall. [00:38:39] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:38:40] Speaker A: Cause, like, they basically, they need him to break through a wall in Striker's facility. And then he shows up in x three with no lines. [00:38:46] Speaker B: Right. [00:38:47] Speaker A: And then. [00:38:48] Speaker B: And then he gets killed in days of future past. [00:38:50] Speaker A: Killed in days of future past. Barely. I don't think. [00:38:52] Speaker B: I don't know if he speaks. [00:38:54] Speaker A: I think he yells. [00:38:55] Speaker B: Yeah, he gets his face caved in by a sentinel. [00:38:57] Speaker A: So 2016, after four, five X Men films, the first time we have colossus not only really look like his comic book counterpart. [00:39:07] Speaker B: Great. [00:39:07] Speaker A: He looks phenomenal. And I think. [00:39:09] Speaker B: I think that's the thing that this movie, like, particularly with Colossus and Deadpool himself, like, they. Yeah, they really find a way to, like, make the. The comic book look come to life. [00:39:23] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:39:23] Speaker B: I wouldn't say the whole movie, like, looks ripped out of a comic book, but, you know, those character designs in particular just really stand out from the prior X Men movies, which feel so, like, burdened with this sense of, like, oh, we have to make it look real or believable. [00:39:40] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:39:40] Speaker B: Tone down all these costumes until they're basically just regular clothes. [00:39:44] Speaker A: Yeah. I think. I think the thing that just, again, shows how. Just confident and how much fun Deadpool's having as a film is that even at this point in comic book films, even though the MCU is killing it at the box office, even the MCU is having issues with certain characters in their costumes. [00:39:59] Speaker B: Right. [00:40:00] Speaker A: Slowly trying to figure out how you make them work in universe while it's Deadpool shows. [00:40:06] Speaker B: Yeah. One year prior in Age of Ultron, quick silver is wearing Lululemon gear. [00:40:10] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:40:10] Speaker B: And his sister is, like, shops at hot Topic. [00:40:13] Speaker A: Yeah. She has, like, a very muted red leather jacket. Yeah. And he's wearing all Adidas track fit gear. And. Yeah, it's also, like, even fucking Hawkeye is another example. Even cap, like, it took, honestly, winter Soldier to finally get to a point where I feel like even though I. [00:40:29] Speaker B: Like, well, 2012 in the Avengers, cap is wearing a goofy ass. [00:40:33] Speaker A: Yeah, I know, but it's like, it's silly. [00:40:36] Speaker B: It's more Power Rangers than like, yeah, it's it. [00:40:39] Speaker A: I know what it's trying to do. And I think that suit looks best when he doesn't have the mask on. [00:40:43] Speaker B: Yo, the mask is awful. [00:40:44] Speaker A: That's the worst part about it. [00:40:45] Speaker B: Well, it also doesn't even match. [00:40:47] Speaker A: Yeah. Which is why when Deadpool just has this confidence of being like, yeah, you know how this guys look? And it's like, why the fuck is Deadpool the movie that it's just being like, yeah, this is how Colossus looks. Yeah, this is how Deadpool looks. This is how negasonic teenage war head is gonna look. Even though no one knows who the fuck that is. Yeah, you can clearly tell that there is some love put into the designs of all those other characters. And even Weasel. That's TJ Miller's character, is it? Weasel? [00:41:13] Speaker B: Is that his name? [00:41:14] Speaker A: It's something. I swear, it was a silly. It was. It was something. [00:41:18] Speaker B: But, like, yeah, his name's Weasel. I don't know why that didn't stick with me. [00:41:23] Speaker A: Even, like, weasel. [00:41:24] Speaker B: Think of him as TJ McMahon. [00:41:26] Speaker A: Even, like, weasel. And like, Leslie Ugams, blind owl. They both look like the fucking characters in the comics. And they're also just like, the fact that blind Al is a prominent part just to watch a trailer of, like, Deadpool and Wolverine and having a blind Al segment be, like, a selling point for a movie is so fucking funny to be like, we're at this point now where, like, you know, her scene is fucking phenomenal. Like, every time they talk about Ikea furniture and he gets mad at her. And the fact that it's a blind woman putting Ikea furniture together is so fucking mean, but it's so well done. And it is just like, the movie shouldn't work. Like, genuinely, like, at this point in time where it's, like, especially with someone like Deadpool, where so many people are like, I love how Ryan Reynolds is really into this character, but, like, this. This character, for a lot of people, works in small doses or in stories that aren't his own. And then, like Andy said, like, there is genuinely emotional, like. Like, emotional engagement with his backstory. [00:42:26] Speaker B: Real pathos to it. [00:42:27] Speaker A: The cast is really well done. And compared to what we'll get later with Bonnitevere, the other films, I think the needle drops. Fucking rip in this. [00:42:35] Speaker B: Yeah, they're actually really good. [00:42:37] Speaker A: I love the chicago needle drop at the very end with. You're the inspiration. Yeah, the shoop needle drop. Just call me angel in the opening credits. I mean, there is. And again, the opening credits are fucking great because it's just like, constantly making fun of. [00:42:52] Speaker B: Just like, it just totally foregoes actual credits. [00:42:55] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:42:56] Speaker B: In order to just make fun of the production. [00:42:58] Speaker A: Yeah. And it's just like, it's a film that is like, you know exactly what you're getting when you come into this. And even the people that didn't in that first scene get what this movie is going to be from that point forward to the point when you get to the end of Deadpool one, where it is a post credits scene that is referencing the post credits scene in Ferris Bueller's day off. [00:43:17] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:43:17] Speaker A: Where he goes, what are you doing? Go, oh, we'll have cable in the next one, but go. It is like, even from the very last moment of this fucking film, it is just, you know, it's tight. It knows what it wants, it knows how to get it, and just has a confidence that, like, is. We get blockbusters that are confident all the time, but it's nice to see. [00:43:39] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:43:40] Speaker A: Especially a film that is, like, $40 to $60 million that, like, basically makes eight times that. Like, it is just nice to see a movie like this still age pretty decently well. And even the jokes that maybe haven't aged as well. It's not like a, ugh. It's more just like, I just. I've seen this movie enough times. I remember what this joke is. [00:44:01] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:44:02] Speaker A: It's just writing, why is the weakest stuff? And then so going into, like, the success of Deadpool one, clearly they have to do it too. [00:44:10] Speaker B: But, yeah, I mean, they. They were talking about a sequel before the first one even came out. [00:44:16] Speaker A: Like, yeah, just, which is just funny. [00:44:18] Speaker B: Considering how, like, trepidatious they were even a year prior about doing a Deadpool movie. [00:44:25] Speaker A: Oh, my God. [00:44:25] Speaker B: And then they're like, well, we could do a sequel before the first one even comes out. [00:44:31] Speaker A: And it's also like, the first Deadpool is also the introduction to something that now we see everywhere, and now we are so aware of when it comes to Reynolds. But we were still, very early on, didn't know how much of a fucking advertising media mogul Reynolds is. [00:44:47] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:44:48] Speaker A: In the space. Because at the time, the biggest thing about Deadpool's advertising, other than the usual schtick, is the fact that they, in certain areas, were. They made a you've got mail esque billboard of Deadpool. [00:45:03] Speaker B: Right. [00:45:03] Speaker A: Because the movie's coming out for Valentine's Day weekend. They were trying to, they were making a joke about it being a romance. [00:45:10] Speaker B: Valentine's yeah, yeah. [00:45:11] Speaker A: Valentine's Day film at that time. And at that point, you would think like, oh, that's really funny. It certainly in the other films, it won't get any more intense from that. Holy fucking shit. Like, from Deadpool one on. When we get to Ryan Reynolds being, like, the owner of aviation gin buying mint mobile, pretty much any time there is a huge, you know, big memeable thing, he is able to find a way to tie that back into the brand, his brands, in some way, shape or form. Yeah, I mean, like, I still think the fact that, like, it hasn't even been five years since, like, the peloton ad where, like, literally 24 hours after that ad became, like, controversial, they found the woman, they hired her, and then did an aviation gin ad almost as a pseudo sequel. [00:46:02] Speaker B: Right. [00:46:03] Speaker A: To that. There's even the fucking fire festival shit where the one guy said he nearly sucked dick to get bottles of water, and they made a fucking aviation gin ad with that guy. [00:46:15] Speaker B: Right, right. [00:46:16] Speaker A: I, like, did. It's wild to think now, because now we're just, like, heavy. And welcome to wreck some media giant, Ryan Reynolds, who now has sold, like, his shares and all these companies for, like, ass loads of money. [00:46:30] Speaker B: Right. [00:46:31] Speaker A: But it's funny to think about back in that first Deadpool, how little of that that was because of just how it wasn't. Even though they were confident in the film, they weren't 200% confident. [00:46:42] Speaker B: They were just. And I mean, he was a household name already, but he wasn't like, you know, top tier superstar in the stratosphere of Hollywood. [00:46:52] Speaker A: I would argue, and I would even argue that Ryan Reynolds would argue this as well. I think he is a good to really good actor, and I don't know if I've seen him in anything where. [00:47:03] Speaker B: I thought he was great. I mean, I think great as Deadpool. Yeah. Except for this, where it's like they're so. He and the character are so similar. [00:47:11] Speaker A: Like, I love the fact that there are people out there who don't love this movie, but go, like, now when I read the comics, I literally just hear Reynolds, where it's like, I don't love Ryan Reynolds, but I love Ryan Reynolds is Deadpool. And now that's, like, what's in the back of my brain, because again, like, for a lot of people, again, for a lot of fucking nerds before this film, when people think of Deadpool, it was probably. No. [00:47:33] Speaker B: Yeah. Who voiced him in a number of games and animated projects and things, even. Including the Deadpool game. [00:47:40] Speaker A: Yeah. And, you know, Nol north is great as Deadpool in those games, in those properties, but it's there. Once after this happens, it is like, it's almost very similar to, like, stark post Robert Downey Junior, where it's like, yeah. Now, any interpretation after this that isn't Nolan north, like, doing a Deadpool thing? It is clearly like, they're keeping the Reynolds of it in mind. [00:48:04] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, it is. I don't know if north has ever really talked about it. And, like, I wouldn't blame him if he didn't, but it is a weird, like, I can't really think of another instance where, like, there was an actor who was very popularly associated with a character, their version of a character, and then it just kind of switched to somebody else. He didn't really give it up. [00:48:29] Speaker A: You know, I would argue north has plenty of those. One of, I would even say, like. [00:48:34] Speaker B: North himself does in other characters, I. [00:48:36] Speaker A: Think his version of Rocket Raccoon, Bradley. [00:48:39] Speaker B: Cooper, where it's like, you know, I think almost wouldn't. I mean, yes, you're probably right on that, but not as an. On as big a stage. [00:48:47] Speaker A: No, no, no. Yeah, for sure. [00:48:48] Speaker B: As many people associate with him with. [00:48:50] Speaker A: But it's. But it's funny to think, I think Nolan north, who could probably go through. [00:48:53] Speaker B: Yeah, there's probably a bunch of those. [00:48:55] Speaker A: Yeah. Or Tom Holland is Nathan Drake. [00:48:58] Speaker B: Yeah. But I just wonder if he ever thinks, like, damn, Deadpool was my character. [00:49:03] Speaker A: I don't know. I mean, I bet he has a Very Mature, like, hey, this is. I did a job, and I did a really good job. And, hey, I still get jobs. [00:49:11] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:49:12] Speaker A: But, yeah, going into Deadpool two, it's like, I mean, what better way to say just how big of a splash that Deadpool one makes than, like, Hugh Jackman talking about days after he made his Logan announcement, Ryan set up a Private Screening for Hugh Jackman. Apparently, Q watching Deadpool went, fuck me. Like, basically because out the gate in the first Deadpool film, Deadpool's whole Joke is like, the only reason why I had this film is because I sucked off Wolverine. [00:49:41] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:49:42] Speaker A: And I, like, I tickled his nuts. And it's like, and then going into Deadpool two, the first line of that film is him going, fuck Wolverine. [00:49:52] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:49:53] Speaker A: I make so much money in the box office, and then this MotherFucker has to come out with one of the best comic book films of all time. Like, both films Start with fucking Wolverine references and going into Deadpool two, it is. I don't personally know as to why Miller's not involved in two. I imagine it's because he wanted to do other projects. [00:50:14] Speaker B: Well, I know he wanted to. He wanted to because, I mean, like, we were talking about the first one, despite how silly it is, is grounded in. In, you know, real drama and relationships and pathos. From my understanding, Miller wanted to, like, do more, lean further into that. He was like, if we're gonna do more of this, we have to, like, find more heart in the character and continue to pursue that. And, like, which is a good call. Yeah. And I think the, I don't know if it was Reynolds or the producers or whatever. We're like, no, let's amp up the silly my. [00:50:49] Speaker A: It probably is more producers than anything. [00:50:51] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:50:51] Speaker A: And I think with Reynolds, probably a situation where it's like, Reynolds probably accepted that because, again, Reynolds is even outright said. He said this for Deadpool and Wolverine, which I think is funny that he said this during their Deadpool Wolverine conversation, but he said, like, listen, like, when more money is involved, when more hands are in the pockets of a production, creativity, a lot of creativity takes the wayside because a lot of people think you can throw money at something. [00:51:17] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:51:18] Speaker A: And that will negate the lack creativity in places. And I think with something like going into Deadpool two, there's probably a case where Reynolds is like, listen, there's going to be aspects of this film that we won't have as much control over because of the fact that now this is a money making opportunity. It's now a bigger budget. We have to keep in mind this and that. Even though they have more access to stuff and they have a bigger budget and they have more characters. It's a stacked ensemble compared to, like, the first one has a really good ensemble and I think is good across the board, but, like, two has fucking bill scars guard Terry crews surprise from Brad Pitt as the vanisher. Fucking Josh Brolin at the height of, like, Thanos. Yeah, cable. [00:52:09] Speaker B: He was Thanos in the same year. [00:52:11] Speaker A: Yeah, Zazzie. Zazzie beats his domino, which is like, you know, being able to get Zazzie at a time where, like, the Atlanta crew, all, everyone at Atlanta blowing the fuck up that it's like, it's crazy to think that, like, you know, this cast is just popping up and blowing up. And you also have, I don't remember his name off top of my head, like, his actual name, but the kid from hunt for the Wilder people. Oh, yeah, please. Juliande. He is also in this as well. As well as, you know, just this. [00:52:42] Speaker B: I mean, his name is Julian. [00:52:43] Speaker A: Is his name Julian? [00:52:44] Speaker B: Yeah. Julian Dennison. [00:52:45] Speaker A: Julian Dennison. Okay. Yeah. This is name Julian in the film. [00:52:48] Speaker B: In Hunt for the Wilder people. [00:52:51] Speaker A: No, it's Russell. [00:52:52] Speaker B: It's Russell in this. [00:52:53] Speaker A: That's why it's fucking my brain up. Because his name is Russell in the movie, but his real name is Julian. But, yeah. Yeah. So, like, you have a. You have a crew that is, I mean, much more popular. You have a director who is much more prominent in terms of just, like, popularity with David Leitch. [00:53:09] Speaker B: Yeah. Or at least he had a lot more experience in, like, action. Yeah. [00:53:15] Speaker A: It basically was at a certain point after the first John Wick when Stahelski decided to stay on and do just basically build out the John Wick universe and almost be the kind of like the Zemeckis Bob Gale of the John Wick franchise to a degree. [00:53:31] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:53:32] Speaker A: Trying to make sure, like, this is our. This is my baby. I'll take care of this. David Leitch, understandably so. I think. I think both sides make sense where it's just like, David Leitch decides to go off and do more of his solo stuff, which leads to atomic Blonde, which I think is still probably his best solo work so far up until, like, now, which, you know, this here has the fall guy, which is a, you know, a solid, you know, blockbuster film that is, you know, good time, but not surprising that, you know, it doesn't have Deadpool, Wolverine box office. [00:54:02] Speaker B: He's also responsible for the remarkable Hobbs and Shaw. [00:54:05] Speaker A: I was trying my best to get around that, because that is true. He is also responsible for, my opinion, our opinion, the worst fast and Furious film, which, again, is the film that I think we're all so weirdly in the minority of when we shouldn't be. [00:54:17] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:54:18] Speaker A: But, yeah, with David Leitch. Well, having just half the team from the John wicked, like, just the John Wick directing team is, like, already is getting people, like, fucking jazzed. [00:54:29] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:54:29] Speaker A: It's like, all right, Deadpool two is gonna have half the John Wick team. It's gonna probably look. I mean, I think Deadpool two looks better cinematography wise. [00:54:38] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:54:39] Speaker A: More interesting effects wise. We can get into that a little bit more, too, because there are some choices made effects wise, and also just means it's gonna be bigger, gonna be more bombastic. It's gonna be a blockbuster sequel. And that is, I think, if anything, the detriment as well as kind of, you know, a bit of a benefit here and there with Deadpool two. It is, in fact, the blockbuster sequel to Deadpool one. [00:55:02] Speaker B: Yeah, it is. [00:55:03] Speaker A: It is, you know, now it is bloat. It's got more bloat. Right. [00:55:07] Speaker B: Way more characters. [00:55:08] Speaker A: Way more characters, lines, more surprises there. They did a good job of hiding a lot of the surprises going to. But, of course, I mean, I know we're 55 minutes in, but in case you thought we weren't going to spoil all three of these films, just, just a fair warning. Fucking spoilers all around, because you kind of have to, especially with Deadpool and Wolverine. There's no reason to talk about that film unless you're spoiling the whole fucking. But with Deadpool two, I mean, like, I don't know about you, but, like, when fucking Juggernaut shows up, I lost, I remember in theaters just losing my fucking mind because I, of all the things that, like, I was like, what is this movie trying to hide from us? And just seeing a comic accurate Ryan Reynolds take on juggernaut, I think he does the voice. [00:55:52] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:55:53] Speaker A: And is in just watching Ryan Reynolds juggernaut rip Deadpool. Ryan Reynolds Deadpool in half as he's trying to, like, not come himself from seeing juggernaut live action. Like, it's, it is just, it's, again, Deadpool two. At the time that it came out, I remember being an absolute blast, see in theaters, but it is, compared to Deadpool one, it has aged worse in places. [00:56:16] Speaker B: Uh, yeah, well, and it's also. It's, um, as will become a. A pattern with the, with the third one. [00:56:25] Speaker A: Oh, boy. [00:56:25] Speaker B: It's like a, it, you know, it leans into the screwball comedy aspect, the, uh, the referee, high, high quantity, high density of references, and. Yeah, just kind of that rapid fire style of comedy. [00:56:44] Speaker A: It clearly, even though I think David Leitch is very much a great pair with Reynolds, it clearly is not the same tight creative mind, same tight, like, you know, type creatively that, like, Reynolds was with Miller. Yeah, well, like, you know, the style of it. The style of it is certainly amped up more, and that's the leech of it. But in the same time, it's like the emotional aspect of two is a joke. [00:57:12] Speaker B: Yeah, it's, it doesn't necessarily. Yeah, it doesn't really feel like Leitch came to it with as much, like, personal vision for what the movie should be as Miller did to the original. [00:57:25] Speaker A: Yeah, for sure. [00:57:26] Speaker B: Obviously, we're gonna call these movies kind of Ryan Reynolds, baby. But Tim Miller had a, you know, obviously poured a lot of himself into that first movie and making it exactly what he wanted it, I would probably. [00:57:38] Speaker A: Say the four especially that first, the reason why these films exist just in the base, like foundation, are four names. Ryan Reynolds, Rhett Reese, Paul Vernick. Who are the two writers? [00:57:49] Speaker B: Two other writers. [00:57:50] Speaker A: And Tim Miller. [00:57:51] Speaker B: Tim Miller, yeah. [00:57:52] Speaker A: Is the reason why we have these three films in some way, shape or form. Because all four of them, basically, when Fox. Even when Fox gave them the money for the first film, was still fighting them. They still fought back. [00:58:03] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:58:04] Speaker A: Committed to that first film. [00:58:05] Speaker B: Yeah. And Leech. I mean, you know, I don't despise Leech as a filmmaker. [00:58:10] Speaker A: No, no, no. But I really like. [00:58:12] Speaker B: But I. I think he's a hit or miss for me. But I think that's, you know, he was probably. This is kind of. He gets to make another action movie and this time he gets to play in the superhero space. [00:58:23] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:58:24] Speaker B: And it was kind of more Reynolds and Rhys and Wernick kind of coming up with their vision of it. And he just, you know, executes in a way. [00:58:31] Speaker A: And I think this is the perfect time again because I think if Deadpool two comes out leeches career like after Hobbs and Shaw, I think there'd be more trepidation for most people. But I think the fact that it's like. [00:58:41] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, he was. He was John Wick and then he was atomic blonde, which a lot of people. [00:58:46] Speaker A: I still love atomic blonde. And I don't think that's, like, the best thing he's done solo work wise. Because I think. [00:58:51] Speaker B: Well, that was kind of the first, like, quote unquote imitation John Wick movie that was actually good. [00:58:59] Speaker A: Yeah. Because with that film, the whole. Because again, with other creators that the imitation part of John Wick is basically just ask an actor if they're willing to put a little bit more effort into the actancy than usual. Well, the thing about atomic blonde, the reason why atomic blonde is so fucking good is because Charlize Theron. It is like, built around Charlize Theron as a physical. [00:59:21] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. She's. [00:59:22] Speaker A: And it's like. That's why. That's. Yeah, that's why Leech is so. That's why. And it makes sense that, like, leech is able to be like. Yeah, I know why John would quirk. That was half that fucking team or half that directing team, like, I know. And is able to make atomic blonde work because it's like. That's the way that, like, leech, I think, works the best, especially when it comes to a lead, is how dedicated is that lead to the work? Which is why I think his worst film is Hobbs and Shaw, because it's like we've heard about. Yeah. Both Statham and rock feel like they were in vastly different spaces in terms of what they wanted from that compared to, like, something like bullet Train, where it's like, with bullet train, you know, that's an ensemble film, but it's just a wacky, goofy. [01:00:01] Speaker B: Yeah, everyone's in Brad Pitt, just down to have a good time. [01:00:04] Speaker A: Yeah. And Brad Pitt is really close to David Leitch. And it's one of the reasons why I think the best parts of Fall Guy are the fact that Gosling really likes Leech and Leech likes Gosling, and they're really willing to work together on the goofier stuff as well as the fun action stuff. And with Deadpool two, clearly, like, Leech sees Reynolds passion for the character and commit to the best they can. But that also means, like, when it comes to the script, I don't really think there's going to be much notes from him. Yeah, there should be a lot more notes about the script because I feel the premise about it being. Ugh, let's. Because the whole thing about two that is, like, just immediately the pitfall of two is killing Vanessa. [01:00:44] Speaker B: Yeah. So the first film is so built around their relationship, and then the opening scene, basically, of the sequel, you kill her. [01:00:52] Speaker A: Yeah. It opens with a Dolly Parton nine to five action montage, which is beautiful fun. A lot of fun. Clearly fits in the vibe of what you expect from a Deadpool sequelae. And then not, like, apocalypse level tonal dissonance, but just to go straight from like that to Vanessa getting shot and then basically. Yeah. And then going to an opening credit crawl that is the same as the first in terms of, like, you know, really funny, good jokes here and there. And it's also a spectre, kind of, like, modern bond knockoff, opening with a really bangin Celine Dion song. That song actually is really fucking good. But the fact that it's, like, so somber, the fact that it's so serious. Overly serious, and. [01:01:39] Speaker B: And the rest of the film is so not. [01:01:42] Speaker A: Yes. Oh, my God. [01:01:44] Speaker B: It's. Yeah, it's kind of like it's trying to. It's trying to achieve that emotional element that the first one is. [01:01:53] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:01:54] Speaker B: Just going harder, but not actually spending the time to write it out and invest the time and energy to make. [01:02:01] Speaker A: You care something that even Deadpool and Wolverine, for some reason, decided they would try to do that as well. And to, I would say to worse degree in that film. [01:02:11] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. [01:02:11] Speaker A: To even less effect, because the fact of the matter is, like, the whole premise of having the antagonist be mainly cable versus Deadpool is a great choice. It's a lot of fun. And Brolin is, again, Brolin as a fucking actor at this point in his career is just like just shooting buckets from the three point line. Like, it's no big deal. Like the cape, like just hearing that man in the gruffest voice say baby balls is already like, this man knows exactly what he's doing. He is. He is a master of his craft and I'm so glad he's here. And. But the fact that it's like the emotional through line is, gosh, I really don't want Russell to become bad. I couldn't give a flying fuck about Russell. This last watch through. Yeah, I don't care about that character. [01:02:57] Speaker B: They really just make him. They force Dennison to just be as insufferable as possible. [01:03:05] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:03:05] Speaker B: And they try and pass it off as character development for Wade. But it's like, it just feels so disingenuous. [01:03:14] Speaker A: Yeah. Because the whole thing about is clearly the film wants it to be because a big thing about Vanessa's death that holds on him is not only is Vanessa dead because of him, because again, he's fucking Deadpool. He's. He's a mercenary. Of course she dies because of him. But it's the fact that, like, they were going to start a family together. And so there's a part of Russell and Wade's dynamic that the movie wants you to think that it's like Russell is a surrogate son. [01:03:37] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:03:38] Speaker A: And it doesn't work because one we having, it doesn't really. We haven't gotten to that point yet. And Wade as a person where it feels like he could even do that, like, honestly, I think. Yeah, I think Julian. I think Julian. I think Russell's character is too old. I think the fact that he is a shit talking delinquent that's like 1415 is not how the surrogate son relationship should. You should probably have someone who's like on the verge of like ten. You should have someone like, where you got to take care of a kid. [01:04:10] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:04:10] Speaker A: You don't want them to see the nasty things he's doing because it's like, because the whole thing about the film. [01:04:16] Speaker B: Is there like a Deadpool comic story where he has to like, take care of a young child for an extended period. I can't remember what that's called. [01:04:23] Speaker A: I thought, I thought there was like, I thought that was like almost a Joe Criff on the Spider man story, when he talks to the cancer patient. Oh, maybe I thought it was, like, where, like, he runs into a kid that is, like, either dying or is maybe a delinquent. It probably is a delinquent kid that, like, is trying to get him off the streets and be like, listen, I'm not a hero. Like, again. Like, again. The thing that's so funny about Deadpool as a character, too, and even Reynolds is understanding this, and yet it becomes so dissonant. And this is like, every time Russell is trying to be like, we can be heroes together. Wade's like, I'm a fucking mercenary that kills people. In a world where the heroes are the X Men, I'm not. [01:05:01] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:05:01] Speaker A: I'm not a hero. Like, I was. I was an X Men trainee, and I failed at that. [01:05:06] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:05:07] Speaker A: Like, I'm not. And then, so, like, later on in the film, when Russell's like, you betrayed me. Like, you guys just met. [01:05:13] Speaker B: Ma'am, you don't know each other. [01:05:14] Speaker A: Yeah, come on, guys. And it's also, like, at that time, too, is also, like, when they put on the power dampeners on their neck where it's like, where Wade is basically dealing with all the cancer he's had. [01:05:24] Speaker B: To not do it. Right. [01:05:25] Speaker A: It's like, yeah, of course. Like, why would you. Why would you want this guy to help fight you? He can't help you. He's fucking dying. So it's like this weird thing of just, like, when it gets to that point in the story where you're supposed to be like, cable, stop it. Let me save this child. This is all I need in my life. [01:05:43] Speaker B: Yeah. Okay. [01:05:46] Speaker A: Because, again, it's like watching the end of Deadpool one, it's like, oh, I can't wait to see how their dynamic, Vanessa and Wade's dynamic can deepen in the next film and only to have her die is like, well, this is some classic sequel shit if I've ever seen it. [01:06:01] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:06:01] Speaker A: And usually that happens because the actor. [01:06:04] Speaker B: Or the other come back. Come back. [01:06:06] Speaker A: Or is bigger and is busier and. [01:06:09] Speaker B: But this is just. They didn't want to. [01:06:12] Speaker A: They wanted. [01:06:12] Speaker B: They weren't interested in that. Yeah. [01:06:14] Speaker A: They wanted easy emotions. [01:06:15] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:06:15] Speaker A: Which is unfortunate with both Deadpool sequels, is that they go for the easy emotions, not the harder, but more worthwhile. [01:06:22] Speaker B: Right, right. [01:06:23] Speaker A: And so it's like, with this, the easy emotions of being like, oh, but he's a kid. And therefore, you know, in our textbook case, kids are malleable. [01:06:31] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:06:32] Speaker A: And so ultimately, it's not. It just is it just doesn't work because this kid is already a foul mouth delinquent that is, like, already gone through so much. And also we see what he looks like in the future. And so it's just like, you know, with cable, and it just. There's so many different avenues that could have taken it. And I think the way the movie takes it is. [01:06:54] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. Well, and it just becomes scattershot with trying to manage the cable threat and the kid and the kids trauma with the mutant institution and all that stuff. It's just like, because too many things and you're not spending enough time with any of them. [01:07:12] Speaker A: Yeah. Because all the action is a lot of fun. [01:07:15] Speaker B: Yeah, there's a lot of cool set pieces. Yeah, a lot of good set pieces. In. In the second one. [01:07:25] Speaker A: Trying to. Yeah, it's. It's kind of. The thing is, like, because I remember going to see the first, like, scene dimple two for the first time and being, like, just, you know, jazzed to have a john wick person involved with the action. [01:07:35] Speaker B: Sure. [01:07:36] Speaker A: And to be honest, like, well, I think the action is a lot of fun into. [01:07:42] Speaker B: It's not as memorable. [01:07:43] Speaker A: No, no, first one, I do think there's some good. There are memorable moments in, like, the, gosh, the black Tom part is so fucking funny in the fight on the truck. [01:07:53] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, yeah. [01:07:54] Speaker A: You killed black Tom, you racist son of a bitch. When it's just like a joke again, classic deadpool joke. But again, the writing still hits in the best way when, you know, the joke is just unique enough and really is either commit to it well enough. But then again, you get, like, you know, a callback to weasel a little too much TJ. I would say just. Just a tad too much TJ Miller in this movie. [01:08:19] Speaker B: Yeah. Well, it feel. It doesn't feel as, like, purposeful as the first one. His use in the first one here, it's just like, oh, let's bring him back so he can do riffs on the same jokes from the last movie. [01:08:32] Speaker A: But it's still like, I mean, again, TJ Miller still works well with Reynolds. I mean, there's the whole joke about, like, you know, I wish there was one place that was just like a hellscape where I was the best, the best person in the, like, the most surprising. You know, it was something where it was like, I wish there was a place where everyone was pretty mediocre and I was the most impressive everyone. And then he goes, isn't that Canada? [01:08:54] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, of course. [01:08:54] Speaker A: He goes, you shut your goddamn mouth. And there's also Weasel's whole thing of just being like, I mean, I think it's still, yeah, his best, his best joke is the further the plot, but also, like, in the first film where it's like, wait, I'd go with you, but I don't, I don't want. Or, like, in two, where it's just like, yeah, let's, you can go do that. Or just like when he gets mad that someone beats him to the punchline. [01:09:19] Speaker B: Right. Yeah. [01:09:19] Speaker A: Because again, like, any time that Russell is not on screen, because again, I don't think Julian does a bad job of the movie. I just don't think there's much for him to do. [01:09:27] Speaker B: No. [01:09:28] Speaker A: Don't really care about the orphanage shit. [01:09:31] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:09:32] Speaker A: With the creepy guys and the fact that they're, like, very conservative, bible thumping mutant haters. [01:09:39] Speaker B: Yeah, all of that. [01:09:41] Speaker A: All of the kind of hellfire brimstone kind of. [01:09:46] Speaker B: Yeah. Well, and all of the just kind of emotional attempts at emotional heft feel, like, tacked on. Like, it's like, this is really just an exercise for Reynolds and the other writers to just kind of, like, go for every joke and do their thing and go kind of lord and Miller mode. [01:10:06] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [01:10:07] Speaker B: Is, is supersedes any attempt for, like, actual story. And the story is just kind of built around giving them opportunities to do that. [01:10:16] Speaker A: Yeah. And, I mean, nothing, I think, screams that more. The fact that it's like the, the way that the film gives Deadpool, the, gives Deadpool sacrifice at the end. Any kind of wait or attempt to wait is the fact that he decides just to put a collar on, like a dampening collar and be like, I'm just gonna die. [01:10:36] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:10:37] Speaker A: And it's like, okay, like it. Sure, sure, whatever. I mean, the, the Annie pool is funny. I mean, the fact that they have, they have tomorrow in the background. [01:10:46] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:10:48] Speaker A: And again, there's like, the, the best joke in the whole fucking movie is the X for shit. [01:10:55] Speaker B: Yes. [01:10:55] Speaker A: Like, just the whole thing. The fact that it's like, you have this clearly here. [01:10:59] Speaker B: Let's put together a team. [01:11:00] Speaker A: It is. Clearly. Is Reynolds making fun of Fox's attempt at the X Men origins? Wolverine. Let's put a whole new team of people. [01:11:09] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:11:09] Speaker A: With, like, aspiring actors as well as up and coming actors that are like, you'll be very prominent. [01:11:14] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:11:15] Speaker A: Or already popular to begin with. And then, you know, we can make spin offs off these characters only for them to all die immediately. [01:11:23] Speaker B: Right. [01:11:23] Speaker A: And I will say, of all the stuff from the first time I saw in theaters, versus, like, you know, recently seen it. That still is the. It just gets me giddy every time we get to that scene. [01:11:34] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:11:35] Speaker A: When, like, like, when Bill Skarsgard fucking dies and he's yelling, we're x force. [01:11:42] Speaker B: That he just kills Peter vomits on him. [01:11:45] Speaker A: And also Peter guy. [01:11:47] Speaker B: Yeah, Peter guy. [01:11:48] Speaker A: That was, that was a big in joke. And our fucking friend, we fucking lost it when they showed Peter in the trailer. [01:11:54] Speaker B: Yeah, we loved flying or skydiving. Yeah. [01:11:57] Speaker A: That was something in our friend group that we would not stop sending pictures of each other of just Peter flying. [01:12:03] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:12:03] Speaker A: Rob Delaney is so phenomenal in that little role. And, of course, he has a more prominent role in Deadpool and Wolverine, even though the fact that in Deadpool two, every time Rob Delaney speaks, they stop him. [01:12:14] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:12:15] Speaker A: Because they're like, you don't have to worry about this. Sugar Bear is such a good name for him. And also, I mean, something that I think is, you know, I think talked about a lot and shows just how good the writers are as well as Reynolds is in terms of seeing how much fun a character could be on screen that you never thought would work. I love Domino in terms of, like, how they make. How they show her power. [01:12:40] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, that's a really fun, I've always written wise, just like, yeah, this is definitely a, like a, you know, exaggerated comic, comic book version of it. But I, you know, I've always kind of wanted to see, like, an action movie where the character wasn't actually, like, you know, good at hand to hand combat or whatever. Just, like, kept getting lucky and, like, near missing all these attacks and all these things. [01:13:07] Speaker A: Very Mister Magoo ass kind of near misses. [01:13:11] Speaker B: Yeah. And, yeah, Domino, that's basically her whole shtick is she just kind of waltzes through things because luck is on her side. [01:13:19] Speaker A: They picked a big love interest of Deadpool in the comics with Domino, who isn't a love interest in the movie. Think, fuck, I was really. There's a part of me that was kind of worried that the film, that, like, if they kill Vanessa, they're just. [01:13:33] Speaker B: Replacing her with Domino. [01:13:34] Speaker A: It's like, I'm not all. I'm not about that at all. But thankfully, Zazie beats just shows up and it's just charismatic. She's delightful in the way the film, even though the whole luck segment has aged poorly in places because it's clearly a fucking soundstage. [01:13:50] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, the effects. [01:13:51] Speaker A: The effects. But, like, the whole scene and concept and I think mainly in execution, still really works. Having Deadpool, just not having Deadpool be jealous. And also kind of pissed about another Rob Liefeld character being in his film, but also being cool without him being. [01:14:08] Speaker B: Like, also not believing. [01:14:09] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:14:10] Speaker B: That she has powers. [01:14:11] Speaker A: Yeah. And the fact when she, like. Yeah. When she goes, I'm in. I'm sorry, what? Like, it just. It just, like. Yeah. Every time. She was just so much fun when she showed up. And I love just her inclusion in the movie. Again. Cable Domino. We didn't talk about it much in the. Talking about the first film, but the cab driver. Cab driver from. [01:14:30] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:14:31] Speaker A: Gosh. [01:14:31] Speaker B: Dope ender. [01:14:32] Speaker A: Dopinder is fucking great in the first one. And I think he's a lot of fun in two. [01:14:37] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. [01:14:37] Speaker A: The fact that he just has a bloodlust. He wants to become a mercenary is just phenomenal. Like, again, like, it's two. [01:14:44] Speaker B: Is the one where he's, like, kidnapped his. [01:14:47] Speaker A: No, that's one. [01:14:48] Speaker B: That's the first one. Kidnaps his brush's boyfriend. [01:14:52] Speaker A: Because that's the whole. Because the whole thing about the first film is that the first film was gonna end on a big shootout that fox apparently cut last minute. Like, they cut, like, 20. They cut, like, a huge chunk of the budget that was allocated for that fight. And so, in universe, to canonically explain why the bag isn't there, is that they left the bag with Dopinder. [01:15:13] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [01:15:13] Speaker A: And then he. And then his taxi gets hit while his love. Like, his love interests his rival. Yeah, his rival. His cousin, I think. [01:15:22] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:15:22] Speaker A: Is in his car, and he gets stuck in, like, an intersection and then, like, in two. I think it even implies that he died in that crisis. [01:15:31] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm pretty sure they make a reference. [01:15:33] Speaker A: And then, of course, Doe Pender takes his first life, and he gets the bloodlust. And, yeah, it's. He's just. He's a blast in the movie as well. And it just is a shame that, like, the big emotional crux to the movie is Wade trying to get back to Vanessa when you know that, like, he's. He's just gonna not fully. They're not gonna kill off Deadpool and Deadpool two. So he's not gonna come back and give Vanessa. And it doesn't even really matter, because in the post credits, Deadpool two scene time travels and saves Vanessa, which almost negates, to a degree, in a way, shape, or form, any, you know, attempt at the emotional. [01:16:12] Speaker B: Right. Right. [01:16:13] Speaker A: Resonance in the film, if you even felt it. But it's okay because he also shoots Ryan Reynolds when he reach the Green Lantern script. And also shoots Deadpool in X Men. Wolverine. Yeah. And so, like, it is, Deadpool two is a sequel is just, it's a lot of fun, but at the same time, it clearly is like, okay, maybe there's one more we can get out of this. [01:16:35] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:16:36] Speaker A: I don't know how much more you can do after a three in terms of a solo. [01:16:40] Speaker B: Yeah, it's. It's a much. I would say much less, like, extremely version of this, but it reminds me of kind of the downgrade from ragnarok to love and thunder in the sense of, like, it being just the, you know, the central player, in that case being Waititi and in this case being Reynolds, kind of just, like, leaning into maybe their worst impulses for a season, probably. [01:17:10] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:17:11] Speaker B: And just kind of going for broke with the comedy angle and it not. I mean, it's. It's a funny movie. [01:17:17] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:17:18] Speaker B: But kind of losing some of the, what made the previous movie special. [01:17:22] Speaker A: It's still. I still really enjoy Deadpool two. I think it's. It looks good. It has some great moments sprinkled throughout. And I think, again, domino and cable, I think, are enough on top of just Reynolds's portrayal of Deadpool, just giving it a watch. [01:17:35] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:17:35] Speaker A: But it is the fact that it's like, we're already on Deadpool two, and there's just, like, the emotional resonance for this character is already just like we. [01:17:44] Speaker B: Yeah, we don't know where this is. There's kind of an exhausting quality to it. [01:17:48] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:17:48] Speaker B: That isn't so much there in the first movie. [01:17:50] Speaker A: And speaking of exhausting, I think it's finally time we talk about the Deadpool and Wolverine in the room, because I think, thankfully for a Deadpool three, it doesn't come out two years after a two. I think there's. Yeah, I just watched, I didn't fully watch it, but red letter media talked about Deadpool Wolverine, and I do agree with him that, like, if whatever a proposed Deadpool three was gonna be, and not even because of the 2020 of it all, I feel like having a big gap between sequels in this case really does help the movie not have diminishing returns. [01:18:23] Speaker B: Well, I think because of how long. Yeah, it certainly helps the public response to it. You know, absence makes the heart grow fonder and that sort of thing. People were like, oh, we finally get another Deadpool movie. [01:18:33] Speaker A: Cool. And another thing, too, to talk about is when this film comes out in 2018, less than a year prior, Fox is bought out by Disney. And so the. The whole X Men of it all, now, the you know, the fun little playground the Deadpool have been playing in for the last two years, was now in, you know, was, you know, in danger, right. Because it was now, like, there's no way they're gonna, like, there's no way they're gonna fucking. Even though people were like, oh, my God, they're gonna tie it into the MCU. [01:19:03] Speaker B: MCU. [01:19:04] Speaker A: Most people are like, there's no way they're just going to do it from scratch. So that asks the question, what is Deadpool going to be? Well, let's start with the first weird thing that they attempted to do to really kind of get Disney's favor, is that towards the end of 2018, in honor of, I guess, in some way, quote unquote, in honor of the buyout, as well as a way to make extra money and to show Disneyland that Deadpool could work in the MCU, they release once upon a Deadpool. [01:19:35] Speaker B: Right. [01:19:36] Speaker A: A Deadpool two cut. That is PG 13. That is basically a princess Bride knockoff retelling. [01:19:45] Speaker B: Yeah. Basically uses the framing device from Princess. [01:19:50] Speaker A: Bride, where deadpool kidnaps Fred Savage to pretend to be the boy from Princess Bride so he can tell him the Deadpool two story. And. And I'm gonna tell you right now, I have not fucking watched this cut. I have seen. [01:20:03] Speaker B: Remember if I did, I don't think I actually watched it. I have seen clips, like, all. I've seen all the Fred Savage clips. [01:20:10] Speaker A: I think one of the clips I. Two of the clips I saw was during the scene when he is trying to find different ways to kill himself to go see Vanessa. There is a shot where he goes to a lion exhibit at the zoo, and I think he jumps into the lion cage, and when all the kids are screaming. But the one joke I did see is, like, deadpool, I think, dressed up like Forrest gump, sitting next to an old couple going, I loved you, and up. And then looking at the old man and the old woman going, I'm so sorry. [01:20:38] Speaker B: Right. [01:20:39] Speaker A: Like, clearly making a joke of the fact that the wife is not gonna last in his mind. And, like, that's the only shit I ever saw that movie. Cause I remember seeing that being like, this is incredibly insanely wild. That there is a big budget blockbuster film that did incredibly well in theaters. [01:20:55] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:20:55] Speaker A: That is now recutting itself to make a lesser version, almost a Zack Snyder esque approach, in order to appeal to Disney to say, hey, we can make Deadpool pg 13 if we needed to. [01:21:11] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:21:12] Speaker A: Which is funny to think, considering, I think, similar to, like, the announcement of the original Deadpool. After the test footage, I think months after, once I put a Deadpool came out, I think even Feige or Igerez at the time, we're just like, no, I mean, I think Deadpool is a prompt. Like, we would. Is promising. And if we did a Deadpool, it would be rated r. Yeah. [01:21:30] Speaker B: Right. [01:21:31] Speaker A: They even. Because they said about blade too, like, when they were in the. In the process of Blade, they're like, yeah, if we're doing a blade, we'll do it. Rated r. And so it's funny to think that, like, that cut exists now is just a useless. Kind of a. Mainly useless cut. [01:21:45] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:21:46] Speaker A: I mean, again, when the film came out initially, it also was saying, like, a lot. I think a certain amount of. Percentage of the box office was gonna go to charity. [01:21:54] Speaker B: Yeah. And it was a Christmas release, so it was like, something to do for the holidays kind of thing. [01:22:00] Speaker A: It was kind of treated like a re release of, like, an old film. [01:22:02] Speaker B: Even though it was, like, six and a year old. [01:22:04] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. And then after that, we have this weird hiatus of not necessarily knowing, even Reynolds knowing. Where does Deadpool lie in the future of superhero, let alone the MCU? [01:22:21] Speaker B: The Disney Fox buyout amidst, you know, the MCU's own troubles that it's been having since endgame pretty much. And, yeah, just kind of like, there was this sort of upheaval in the, I guess, the superhero genre as a whole, but especially for, like, the Fox X Men stuff because that was now in no man's land. [01:22:45] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:22:45] Speaker B: And presumably most of it was dead. [01:22:47] Speaker A: Yeah. Well, the new mutants of it. [01:22:49] Speaker B: All right, there's the new. Was that 2021 when that finally came out, shot in, like, 2017 or something. [01:22:56] Speaker A: A film that basically was reshot and recut so many times because Fox was. [01:23:01] Speaker B: Like, we don't know what to do. [01:23:02] Speaker A: It was. Yeah. Originally they said it was recut because they thought it could actually tie into X Men universe because they thought it was promising. And then it was re cut and reshot because they realized it doesn't matter because Disney fucking bought us. [01:23:17] Speaker B: Right. [01:23:17] Speaker A: And then also at the same time, they were also dealing with the fact that, like, after apocalypse, during the Me Too movement is when, you know, their big X Men director, Bryan Singer. [01:23:29] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:23:29] Speaker A: Caught that for being a piece of shit. They had to get Simon Kinberg to basically do dark Phoenix, which is a giant fucking piece of shit. [01:23:38] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:23:39] Speaker A: Oh, my gosh. And it's. It's. Yeah, it's at this place where, like, it is one of the weird place where it's like, it's weird to be in a. In the Deadpool space at that point, but it's also probably good to be in the Deadpool space. [01:23:49] Speaker B: Yeah. You're kind of safe. [01:23:51] Speaker A: Yeah. People like you. [01:23:52] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:23:53] Speaker A: Because at least it's, like, clearly, with the MCU at that point, it's like, even before Jackman comes back as Wolverine for Deadpool and Wolverine, they were nothing expecting to even pull a single person from the Fox universe in terms of, like, unless it was a gag, which they did for Wandavision, for Evan Peters as quicksilver, only to make him. Only to make it just a fun little nod. And his real name is Ralph Bohner. [01:24:19] Speaker B: Right. [01:24:21] Speaker A: Yeah. And it's one of those weird things where it's like, you know, the MCU is smart enough to know that, like, taking any actor from that in a normal universe and trying to pluck them in, like, nothing's changed. [01:24:35] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:24:36] Speaker A: Is gonna have ramifications, because clearly, this is not the same feeling tone quality at the time, because why the fuck, at the height of Infinity War endgame era, kind of trying to figure out what to do next, would you ever want to touch just the roller coaster ride that is the X Mendez franchise at Fox? [01:24:56] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:24:57] Speaker A: Other than Deadpool, which is, like, the only thing that is, like, self contained enough and consistent enough that you could find a way to sneak it in once you figure out the multiverse of it all. [01:25:10] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:25:12] Speaker A: And so for a few years in between dipple two and 2022, there's not a lot until 2022 happens when, after years of speculation, in terms of. Well, if they do a Deadpool and Wolverine or do a Deadpool three, what? Who would direct it? How much would Reynolds be involved in it? Yada yada. In 2022, it is announced that free guy and Adam project director Sean Levy is involved with Ryan Reynolds, which makes sense, because Ryan Reynolds was a lead in both of those films, as well as the fact that in 2022, Reynolds, in a classic Reynolds adway, also announces that they found a way to get Hugh Jackman to say yes. [01:25:54] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:25:54] Speaker A: To a Deadpool three. And at that point, I know it's funny to say now, because it sounds like, oh, yeah, you probably didn't think this back then, but I feel like we both were like, oh, fuck. This is probably one of the best decisions they probably could have made. [01:26:10] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:26:10] Speaker A: In terms of getting people out the gate excited for a Deadpool MCU film, when already at that point, if they had just announced a Deadpool three for the MCU, I would have probably already been jazzed, but to hear the Hugh Jackman was back, even with the Logan of it all, I was just kind of like, oh, shit, like, because even in our brains, we were like, oh, multiverse. It's not gonna be. It's not gonna be the Logan from Logan, right? We're gonna find a way to pull something from that. [01:26:38] Speaker B: But, yeah. [01:26:40] Speaker A: And to go from 2022 to now and to see how the response has been for Deadpool and Wolverine. Again, I want. This is going to be a big fucking disclaimer, and I want to make sure this isn't 30 minutes long of a disclaimer, but we. If you enjoy the absolute shit, Deadpool and Wolverine, I'm so happy for you. Like, genuinely, like, I had a good time with this movie and had a fun time, and I will definitely watch it at some point in the future. And I'm glad that we saw it in theaters together with. Especially with our friend Austin as well. I'm glad we got to see this together in a theater because it was nice to go to sue an MCU movie and just be kind of like, well, at least on a very base level, I think we're just going to be entertained in some way. Also, let it be known that we are both very well aware that what we're about to say about Deadpool and Wolverine, we are not in the majority. We are very well aware that, you know, the movie is making gangbusters. It's already breaking records again in the r rated space. I would not be surprised if this beats Joker off the number one in terms of r rated films of all time, gross wise. And also just want to make it clear that, like, what we're about to talk about with the film is just because we have issues with this film doesn't mean people are stupid for liking the movie. Nor so does it mean that, like, you know, we're better because we don't like certain aspects of this movie. Let me make it fucking clear. The amount of schlock we have talked about that we like on this podcast or the stuff that we like, just, you know, in general. I mean, we're both MCU fans in a lot of different, varying degrees of ways. And the reason why we just like this movie in ways is not because it is less like the MCU. In fact, like, yeah, this film, I. The reason why we both are kind of just baffled by how much this movie is getting so much love in some degree is because it's hard for us not to watch this movie and think this is just an absolute mess from top to bottom. Yeah, it is such a shock. Just like, again, loving, like, having an absolute blast with Deadpool one, you know, being a little bit disappointed with two, but still having a really good time with two, and then just watch Deadpool and Wolverine and just be like, oh, the third film in this trilogy literally doesn't care about any of the characters that it has been building for the last two episodes, last two films. They're here, but they're only here basically in spirit. And to stand there and be there. The movie is more interested in so many other things that I don't know why it's interested in, I guess, is the way to. [01:29:24] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, if the last movie, if Deadpool Two was hampered by a compulsion to lean further into, like, you know, the rapid fire, laugh a minute reference brand of comedy, Deadpool and Wolverine, almost like, feels like it's trying to one up that. Yeah, in a lot of ways. [01:29:50] Speaker A: Oh, it's. [01:29:51] Speaker B: Yeah, it's. It's insane how much this movie packs in, just in terms of. Not necessarily in terms of plot, but just in terms of references and nods and jokes about various things going on inside and outside the franchise. [01:30:08] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:30:09] Speaker B: And. And also kind of trying to be this backdoor, you know, swan song love letter to the Fox superhero universe and also this, you know, mockery slash tribute to the MCU and a third Deadpool movie. And, you know, it's just so many. [01:30:28] Speaker A: Things because again, like, if this film dedicated mainly to making fun of the low point of the MCU, even though it. That would just feel like it would be so annoying immediately. That is understandable because the MCU is at a very. Is at a low point right now. And it makes perfect sense that in a Deadpool ass way, if Deadpool as a character feels like he is Marvel, Jesus, which is what he believes that he is, of course, going to make fun of the fact that Marvel has not been doing the best post endgame. But when you add on to the fact that a good chunk of the film is also, like Andy saying, trying to be a love letter to basically all the new line, Sony, to a degree, Sony indirectly, but clearly also talking, but like the Fox new line, basically all the things that most fucking normal people have either just not really thought about for the last, understandably, decade or also probably didn't know about. Like, it has been fascinating to have people talk to me about, like, how they had no idea about the whole gambit of it all. [01:31:38] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:31:38] Speaker A: The fact that it's like, again, we are spoiling all these movies, including Deadpool and Wolverine. It's been out long enough that if you haven't seen it, go see before you listen to this part of the film or part of the pod. But when Shannon Tatum showed up as gambit, I fucking. I genuinely was just like, holy fuck, this is wild. He looks so bad in a way that is, like, very fun. Like, clearly of the era that he's making fun of his joke. I mean, chaining Tatum again. He has literally made so much money the last, like five to six years just showing up in other people's films and being a lot of fun. And then ultimately, like, it just was wild to be like, we are spending so much dedicated time on him, on Elektra, on Wesley Snipes Blade, who, again, I like that this is the type of film where it's like, it's okay to bring these people in. I'm actually. It's fun to see them here. I was not expecting to see. I was never expecting an MCU film to even think about the Jennifer Gardner Electra film. [01:32:41] Speaker B: Right? Yeah. [01:32:41] Speaker A: But it is very weird to watch this movie do that with Jennifer Gardner's Elektra. I think it's the very end and see behind the scenes footage and just like, be like, how am I supposed to. [01:32:53] Speaker B: Are we really sentimental for this? [01:32:54] Speaker A: Yeah, because Electra's a piece of shit movie. That movie is forgotten because that movie is embarrassing, bad. It's considered to be one of the worst. It's worse than Daredevil. [01:33:04] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:33:04] Speaker A: And it's also weird because it's like Elektra is making. There's, at one point, Deadpool goes, sorry about Daredevil. And Elektra goes, it doesn't matter. And it's an awkward but funny joke because it's not even referencing Daredevil. It is referencing the fact that Daredevil was played by Ben Affleck, Jennifer Gardner's ex, who she had not a nice divorce with things that you don't need to know, you shouldn't need to know about to get the joke. But it already, it clearly, it just, yeah, there's so many layers that is already attached to Deadpool, Wolverine, that didn't even have to deal with the Fox of it all. And then when you add the fox of it all, it is so convoluted in a way that is just like, again, I am glad that people are, like, looking at the finale stuff in the credits and just being like, oh, that's so cute that they're like, you know, honoring and recognizing Fox. And I understand to agree that, like, there are some people out there that probably really love the Fox films that were kind of bummed when they realized that the MCU is kind of, like, gonna be a full speed ahead. Absorb it and absorb it, and not really, you know, talk about the fact that you can watch all those X Men movies on Disney plus, but it literally has no merit other than if you just want to have background knowledge of certain things. Yeah, but I hate to be sound like an asshole about it, but, like, that's just movies. Yeah, that's what happens. Like, again, like, the reason why the Fox era of superhero films don't exist is because they abused the power they had and they made X Men movies. [01:34:45] Speaker B: Yeah. Towards the end, most of the franchise, most of the films tributed in Deadpool and WolVerine are not good movies. [01:34:52] Speaker A: Blade one is so much fun, and I love that film. Entertainment wise, that is a seven out of ten movie. [01:35:00] Speaker B: Yeah. AnD thAt's on the higher end of that era. [01:35:04] Speaker A: To waste time again, to spend 30 seconds to have Wesley Snipes make a reference to the original blade to some motherfuckers always try to ice skate uphill in a Deadpool and Wolverine film that already has a Wolverine in it that isn't a Wolverine we've seen in other films, but is a Wolverine that is from another universe, different universe, that has truly one of the worst Wolverine backstories I think we've ever gotten. Wolverine adaptation in a movie. Like, it just is so fucking wild. It's also wild. You even brought it up when we left the theater. Just how the movie steamrolls to the X 23 Wolverine campfire scene. [01:35:47] Speaker B: Yeah, well, this movie just. It's. Any attempt, it makes at, like, emotional heft there. I'll say that again. It just, like, sprints to it. It doesn't attempt to justify it or earn any response from you. It's just, oh, we have these characters you like, so we have to make a sad moment for them. [01:36:12] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [01:36:13] Speaker B: And, yeah, I mean, we can probably kind of get to that more in detail. You talk more about the movie, but that's just kind of this movie's whole approach to everything is like, if two felt like it was leaning into the comedy at the expense of the story, this feels like story and character and all that is a complete afterthought. [01:36:36] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:36:37] Speaker B: And this is all about acknowledging other movies and characters and, you know, not that this is inherently a bad thing, having fun at the expense of the real life scenario in which this movie was released and all that. But all of that kind of comes, you know, in the absence of, like, a genuine story or an earnest character. [01:37:01] Speaker A: This is the type of, this is the weirdly the type of sequel where any reference of the other two films really kind of negates the actual quality of this movie because it just reminds you of just like, how little is being done to actually keep and uphold the characters. [01:37:19] Speaker B: Because, again, the movie puts more effort into, you know, exalting the fucking messy as shit Fox universe of films then it does. [01:37:31] Speaker A: It made. [01:37:32] Speaker B: Yeah. About its own pre, like, previous movies. [01:37:35] Speaker A: Like, it was shocking because again, like, rewatching, again, going basically with this rewatch having Deadpool one and two be after Deadpool and Wolverine, it was just wild rewatching Deadpool one and two, getting to, like, that point in Deadpool two where there is moment. There's a time taken out of Deadpool two for Deadpool. Just trying to win Colossus back because he's sorry he ruined their friendship. [01:37:58] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:37:58] Speaker A: And then you get to Deadpool and Wolverine and Colossus is like, in the background and has no line. [01:38:05] Speaker B: Yeah. He's literally set dressing. [01:38:07] Speaker A: He set dressing like he was in X 23. Like in the shitty Fox films X three. Yeah. The shitty Fox films that the film wants to, like, homage to. [01:38:17] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:38:17] Speaker A: And it's just like. And then, like, anytime, like, Nickasonic when she would. When Tina Torhead or Yukio would talk, where it's like, oh, my gosh, why did you even hire them to be there? [01:38:29] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:38:29] Speaker A: They even brought in Buck, who is like a background mercenary in the first film. He gets a scene in the second film where the joke is, is he can't say his lines. [01:38:39] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:38:40] Speaker A: And then he gets more lines in Deadpool and Wolverine. Then I think Negasonic, Yukio, Colossus, Doe, Pinder. [01:38:49] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:38:50] Speaker A: Like, all those characters that we liked from the last two films get combined. And also the fact that it's like, again, it's fun to see Peter, but it's like, it's weird to have Peter be the most prominent. [01:39:03] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:39:03] Speaker A: Out of all those characters from the other two films to show up. And again, if anything, I'm glad that Peter gets some moments to shine, but even then it's meme. Yeah. [01:39:12] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:39:12] Speaker A: I honestly just would have preferred they not bring anybody back but Peter. [01:39:17] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:39:18] Speaker A: Because again, when you also bring up Vanessa of it all, Vanessa is just honestly think it's even worse than in Deadpool two. She is set dressing. [01:39:27] Speaker B: Yeah. They, they really, really half ass. Like some kind of emotional tension between Wade and Vanessa, at least in two, she's dead, right. [01:39:38] Speaker A: You don't have to worry about. Are you giving her enough to do? Because it's like, well, she's fucking dead. [01:39:43] Speaker B: Yeah. She's in the movie. She's a present force, apparently, in Wade's mind, but literally does nothing the whole film. [01:39:51] Speaker A: So not only the end of Deadpool two, while it is funny, it just denotes any emotional resonance because he just goes back in time and saves Vanessa. Now, it meant nothing because she's not with him in Deadpool and Wolverine. [01:40:05] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:40:05] Speaker A: And when they get together at the end of Deadpool and Wolverine, it's the weakest ass. Like, he just had to say, hey, I miss you. And that was it. [01:40:13] Speaker B: Yeah, well, that's like, God, just don't. [01:40:15] Speaker A: Fucking have her here. Don't have anybody from the other two films if you just don't care about the other two films, if you are just like, if this film only exists. Because, again, there's another thing about diplomat Wolverine that is just fascinating. It has very much Obi Wan Kenobi limited series vibes, where it feels like it only exists because Hugh Jackman, Ryan Reynolds and Sean Levy are, like, friends together, and they like working together. And you know what? Nine times out of ten, you know, if you get a group of people that like working together and you make a movie together, it can still have some fun to it, which. This film has some fun when you don't actually think about it. [01:40:56] Speaker B: Yeah, but the fact, fortunately, Sean Levy's a lifeless director. [01:41:00] Speaker A: We gotta talk about the Sean Levy of it. [01:41:02] Speaker B: Yeah, too. [01:41:02] Speaker A: Because out of all three of these directors, it is shocking to think about the fact that he is probably the most popular of the three. [01:41:09] Speaker B: I literally made the most popular movies. Yeah. [01:41:12] Speaker A: I literally. A day or two after we saw Deadpool and Wolverine in theaters, I saw an article tagline that I just nearly shat myself because I was shocked. But I also didn't disagree where someone said, is Sean Levy the modern king of populous cinema? And I nearly fucking shat myself because I was like, that just is like, what? But at the same time, I think of, like, to a degree, kind of like, it's like the man. Again, everything about Deadpool, Wolverine has the same problems I had with his last big film. Free guy. [01:41:49] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:41:49] Speaker A: Where it's like, in my head, the reason why. Because, again, there's probably a lot of people, if you're still listening to this, but you're annoyed with us being like, shut up. It's a fucking Deadpool movie. It's stupid. Turn off your brain. Here's the thing. You can be a dumb fucking movie, but actually care about the world that you build and still have fun in it. [01:42:08] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:42:09] Speaker A: And the problem is, I think with this film, with levy as a director as well as similar issues with three guy, it builds this idea of an anchor being and, like, trying to build, like, a legitimacy in the MCU to a degree, in terms of why all these things are happening. And, you know, what happens is that five minutes after that, it doesn't fucking matter. All this is non, it doesn't make any sense because why is. So is Deadpool three take place in, like, the 2030s after logan happened, even though Deadpool two is clearly 20, 2018? Like, it's. Yeah, it's so stupid to pretend like you actually care about building a world around the movie when in reality, you just want to put. You just want a sandbox to play it. [01:42:54] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:42:54] Speaker A: Literally fucking play the sandbox. [01:42:56] Speaker B: Just every, like, narrative element of this movie is in service of just putting these guys in a room together so they can play and, like. [01:43:05] Speaker A: And, you know, it. [01:43:06] Speaker B: Like, if that's fun for you, great. [01:43:08] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:43:08] Speaker B: Like, it's. It was fun for me in little spurts. [01:43:11] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:43:11] Speaker B: But it's also incredibly frustrating to be, you know, sitting in a two hour plus movie that doesn't give a shit about its own story or its characters or any sort of emotional resonance or even, like, the logistical connection to its various franchises, because all it's doing is, hey, you know, these two characters you like, they're on the screen at the same time. Isn't that cool? [01:43:38] Speaker A: Like, again, there is no reason for the. For the antagonist of Deadpool and Wolverine to be Cassandra Nova. [01:43:46] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:43:47] Speaker A: Professor X's twin in the womb who tried to kill X in the womb and failed. [01:43:54] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:43:55] Speaker A: And died herself. And then basically, again, why is this. [01:43:59] Speaker B: Movie spending any time talking about that? [01:44:02] Speaker A: Yes. [01:44:03] Speaker B: Why do we spend any time talking about Professor Xaviere other than the fact that she's a sister? [01:44:08] Speaker A: Like, especially when her Charles is. It doesn't matter. [01:44:11] Speaker B: Yeah, we don't see Charles. There's no, like, you know what relevant. [01:44:15] Speaker A: The antagonist should have just been McFadden. It should have been Tom from succession. [01:44:20] Speaker B: Although. And he is not great in this movie. [01:44:23] Speaker A: No, I. But to be completely honest, when I saw that he was in this movie, I was happy that he was getting, like, a big budget film to work in. [01:44:31] Speaker B: I was surprised his role was as significant in the movie as it was. [01:44:34] Speaker A: But I'm gonna be completely honest, I do kind of disagree that it's like the worst performance in the work because, like, our friend Austin fucking hated his performance. [01:44:42] Speaker B: No, I mean, I don't think he's any worse than a lot of the other things. [01:44:46] Speaker A: Yeah, I just, everything about his performance screamed you were getting a paycheck. And you know what? I'm glad you're getting, like, a superhero movie. [01:44:53] Speaker B: And he's hamming it up. At least he's hamming it up. [01:44:56] Speaker A: Yes, it is. [01:44:57] Speaker B: It is, it is not really working, but, like, it's interesting. [01:45:00] Speaker A: And again, it has the same issue as Deadpool two, but now it's expend, it's now just exponentially worse because it's like, now we have more characters that have now need to be introduced in some way, shape, or form. And a lot of those characters are from other franchises that aren't even fucking tied to the MCU. Again, it is wild to see an MCU film, a cinematic universe that has already been criticized for how convoluted it is with tv shows, time travel, all that, to just have this film pluck in other franchises. [01:45:32] Speaker B: Arguably the most convoluted MCU film to date. [01:45:35] Speaker A: Yes, I agree with that. [01:45:37] Speaker B: And the fact, like, you know, you and I are fully on board, even with the slump we're in, we are full tilt, like here for MCU movies where we're dedicated to following the franchise, whatever, as well. We've put countless hours of our lives into it. But, like, it's so, it's jarring to me, given how much the MCU gets for that kind of thing, that Deadpool Wolverine just gets a pass. [01:46:06] Speaker A: It really does. [01:46:07] Speaker B: It's like, oh, who cares that none of this matters or makes sense or has any sort of weight to it. I like the funny red Mandy. [01:46:17] Speaker A: That's, that's the thing that I think. [01:46:18] Speaker B: Is the most yellow angry man is. [01:46:20] Speaker A: The most frustrating is that when I see people, when, like, I talk about the film and it does seem like, well, people are like, well, man, that's, you don't have to see it. Like, I mean, again, we have a friend. I mean, I love her to death, but she was like, when I was talking to her a little bit about it, she's like, well, I didn't really think of it in, like, a movie critic sense. And I'm like, that's not, that is, that is not the case. Here's the thing. [01:46:42] Speaker B: There's no switching modes. [01:46:43] Speaker A: Yeah. Head. The thing is, is like, genuinely, we have gone through years and I have even, I would say, gone through it more than Andy has. Not in a way, just like to have any badges or anything with this bullshit, but the fact that we're better than. No, but I've gone through, especially these last few years, I've just been like, being able to watch eternals, Falcon and the Winter Soldier, all this other shit that is like, very flawed. It has a lot of issues to it, but I think has some artistry mixed into the complicated nature of it. And yet anytime I've tried to talk about any of those aspects of that, I am told that it's stupid. These things suck ass. Don't even talk about them. Yet here we are with Deadpool and Wolverine, where now the inverse is happening. And I don't fucking understand why. Of all the things, again, this is. [01:47:33] Speaker B: The movie that we're all rallying. [01:47:35] Speaker A: This is the MCU film that should get the most shit and honestly be okay with that. [01:47:39] Speaker B: This literally every single problem that anybody's ever said about, like, the MCU as a whole of the last five years. [01:47:47] Speaker A: And also has the problems of, like, all the Fox films on top of it like this. It is a film that literally pretends, like, there are characters that matter, there are elements that matter, that histories of these characters we were just getting introduced to matter. But the fact of the matter is, is nothing in this fucking movie really fucking matters other than. Do you like the other Deadpool movies? Then that's fine. [01:48:14] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:48:14] Speaker A: Do you like Wolverine in some way, shape or form? Because guess what? This is not the same fucking Wolverine. Okay, cool. Then have a fun time. But for some reason, that's not enough for levy and Reynolds and Wernick and Reeves. Or like, it's. It is wild to just watch Reese, Reese, Reese. Because it's just like, it is a film that is like, it's Deadpool three, but doesn't even do the Deadpool things you could have expected. Like, we were both barely a Deadpool movie. Like, we're bare. We were both shocked that even in the bare minimum, the fact that they don't even do, like, the opening credits gag, but they instead replace it with an NSYNC dance choreography fight montage, which, again, is not bad. It's just off and not what Deadpool has been like in the last two films. It feels like a thing that the other Deadpool films would make fun of another film doing. [01:49:10] Speaker B: It's kind of weirdly enough, it's a very telling moment early in the movie that, like, oh, this doesn't really have any interest in, like, trying to carry on what the previous two movies were doing with the character. [01:49:25] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:49:25] Speaker B: Like, it's. It's just, oh, we're just sort of foregoing all of that. [01:49:30] Speaker A: It is a film that is, like, every minute passes. Any time it has made fun of convoluted timelines in past films has now been negated, because now it's become the most convoluted fucking thing. [01:49:41] Speaker B: You're making every mistake. [01:49:43] Speaker A: As soon as we both saw, like, what universe number this apparently is, we were like, why are you even putting effort. It doesn't fucking matter. [01:49:53] Speaker B: Like, right, right. [01:49:54] Speaker A: Why? [01:49:54] Speaker B: Basically telling me it doesn't matter and nerds pretending like it does. [01:49:58] Speaker A: Why should anyone who is, like, super nerdy about the MCU also give a fuck either? Because it's like, with Deadpool. The whole thing about Deadpool is, like, he can show up and then not matter. Yeah, I think it's fucking wild that people are, like, losing their mind about what was Thor crying about? When it's already been established that, like, that is, like, they took, like, the dark world footage and cut in Deadpool. Like, that's not stuff shot for doomsday. That's not shit shot for Secret wars. That is just a gag that now. Yeah, fans have just been like, oh, I can't wait to see in the Avengers film what that is. That is. Even Hemsworth is not aware of what the fuck that is. [01:50:40] Speaker B: Yeah, he did. Yeah, it sounded like Hemsworth didn't even know he was in the movie. [01:50:43] Speaker A: No. [01:50:44] Speaker B: Although I did see something the other day, and I don't know, maybe this was, like, an edited image or something, but somebody was saying, like, you know, they pulled this cam rip screenshot of that scene in Deadpool and Wolverine and compared it to the actual shot of Chris Hemsworth in Thor, the dark world. And, like, there's some significant differences. Like, the. The makeup on his face is different and his wounds and stuff, but I don't, you know, it's like, maybe they just had to rework part of the shot to get to make it make sense for Deadpool to be there. [01:51:15] Speaker A: Also been another, just a different shot entirely that was never used in the original. Yeah, it's also Thor, the dark world. Who's gonna actually remember if that shot's right? The movie's not gonna happen. [01:51:24] Speaker B: People are already like, oh, this is gonna be a scene in Doomsday. And it's like, well, I. [01:51:29] Speaker A: No. How can we watch anyone watch anything from Deadpool and Wolverine and feel like there's any kind of merit of anything coming back except for, like, I think Reynolds will show up again in an Avengers film. [01:51:41] Speaker B: Well, yes, he will. And Logan. I think Logan probably will. [01:51:45] Speaker A: I think he will too. I just. [01:51:47] Speaker B: The way they sort of send him off in this movie makes it feel like a see around. Yeah, in a few years. [01:51:54] Speaker A: But hopefully you keep your suit on so you don't have to be as buff as you have been because you're 55 and we don't want to keep doing that. [01:52:00] Speaker B: He's going to do this till he's. [01:52:02] Speaker A: 90, which is, again, fun joke. Especially when he, like, goes 90. Like, when he just like. Yeah, like, there again, there is. [01:52:10] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:52:10] Speaker A: When again, there is a scene in Deadpool and Wolverine that I think is probably the only ten out of ten scene in the entire film. And I think that's the scene that I think Andy loved as well, which is the Honda Odyssey fight. [01:52:21] Speaker B: Yeah, that's the best scene in the movie. [01:52:22] Speaker A: The best scene in the entire movie. The best fight in the entire movie. Because again, all the fight scenes of. [01:52:25] Speaker B: This movie are also both the best fight scene in the movie and the best, like, dialogue, like character to character, momentous, the movie. Yeah, because again, it's the only emotional moment in the movie that's not, like, undercut immediately. [01:52:38] Speaker A: Yeah, and again, I will give Jackman credit. Jackman as an actor. Again, the reason why he is so phenomenal as Wolverine is because just as a baseline, this man, when he is, cares enough of a fuck, even though this is a Wolverine that has the lamest backstory of any Wolverine we've seen a movie. The scene in the Honda Odyssey where he is ripping deadpool the shreds is phenomenal. [01:53:02] Speaker B: Great in that. [01:53:02] Speaker A: He's great in that scene. And I hate the fact that when people see that scene, it is like, oh, that scene's so great because of this. For Wolverine, that scene is great because. [01:53:11] Speaker B: Of Jackman's a good actor, has nothing. [01:53:13] Speaker A: To do with this fucking Wolverine. Because in this universe, this wolverine is sad because he got drunk at a bar and all the X Men, who are all fucking mutants, got killed by a mobile. [01:53:25] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:53:25] Speaker A: Their mansion. [01:53:26] Speaker B: The film makes absolute minimum effort to explain why this logo BroKen and the scene where he reveals all that Deadpool's not even there. Deadpool never minds this stuff out, like, explicitly. And it's just like, why in Deadpool and Wolverine are. Is Wolverine having this aside of with a character who's barely in this movie, expositing his entire backstory and our other titular characters not even present to, like, go through it with them? [01:54:00] Speaker A: And I also fucking don't really like the fact that Deadpool's whole emotional crux outside, like, his emotional crux is trying to save his friends. That's fine. [01:54:11] Speaker B: It's more like he wants to have a purpose. [01:54:13] Speaker A: That's. That's his real. Like, his baseline is that his friends are in danger. Surface level emotion. It's his friends are in danger. The deeper thing is he wants to be a bigger purpose. The thing that's funny, though, is the fact that in the last two fucking films, again, shows just how little they really. It doesn't fucking matter. [01:54:32] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:54:33] Speaker A: Story wise, going from one two to Deadpool and Wolverine is the fact that Deadpool has already admitted in the other two films that, like, while he's down for team ups, he's not a hero. Yeah, he knows very much that he's not a hero. So it's weird that his big emotional thing that leads him to basically break up with Vanessa to be boring as shit for a good chunk of the beginning of the film, is mainly because he wanted to be in the Avengers once and Happy Hogan wouldn't let him. And then he got sad. [01:55:03] Speaker B: Yeah. He, like, lost his whole mojo because Happy Hogan. Happy Hogan from another universe. Because the Avengers don't exist in Deadpool's universe. [01:55:12] Speaker A: Yes. And for some reason, again, just to show how convoluted this fucking thing is, even though his time slider is a thing that is in is cable's time slider from two and is not like it can't slide between dimensions, he still finds a way. Apparently, he finds a way to slide between dimensions to go talk to Happy Hogan right around the time that Infinity War in Endgame is happening. [01:55:34] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:55:35] Speaker A: Like in Deadpool two era, right before the snapdez. And just get sad that the Avengers don't want him, even though he would know fully well why they don't want him. [01:55:45] Speaker B: Yeah. You know who you are, dude. [01:55:47] Speaker A: Yeah. And then he gets sad and gets mad at Vanessa, pushes Vanessa away, and then he's just embarrassing to a degree. [01:55:56] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, that. Yeah, it's. It's why. Yeah. Not only is this movie narratively convoluted, it's also emotionally convoluted. Cause it's like the mental gymnastics you have to do to come up with Wade's motivation in this movie. It's just, like, insane. It's like, okay, so you wanted to be in the Avengers because you felt stagnant and like, you had no purpose, and then you got rejected, okay, but your girlfriend still supports you, but for some reason, you don't believe her. Even though you guys have built this major trust over the last two movies, I'm not surprised. [01:56:36] Speaker A: We're nearly at the two hour mark. [01:56:38] Speaker B: When fucking chicken fucking push her away from you. And then all of a sudden, you care about everybody else in your life and you have to save the universe. [01:56:47] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:56:48] Speaker B: None of it has anything to do with what Wolverine's got going on. [01:56:51] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:56:52] Speaker B: And it's like, tie them together somehow. Like, it just. The only reason they're together is because of this anchor point bullshit that they make up for this movie. [01:57:00] Speaker A: Yeah. And it doesn't matter because at the end of the day, they're just both. They'll both become the anchor being. [01:57:07] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, I guess. Yeah. [01:57:09] Speaker A: Doesn't it also, you know, it gets. [01:57:11] Speaker B: Into the MCU of it all, which is a problem because this movie, just like every other MCU movie that deals with the multiverse, this movie has its own definition of how the multiverse works. [01:57:22] Speaker A: Yes. And does the thing that, like, everyone is also just eye roll number. They keep saying the MCU is 616, which is just, like, fucking stupid because. [01:57:32] Speaker B: I don't mind that. I know, but this, you know, this is the MCU is the main universe to the MCU. So, like, I don't care if they call that the 616. It just bothers me that they're trying to sell the multiverse. Yeah, maybe not anymore, but, like, they've been trying to sell the multiverse as, you know, the thing around which this whole franchise hinges right now. And they can't even come up with a consistent, like, set of rules or systems for how it works, what the threats are. [01:58:00] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:58:00] Speaker B: You know why any of it matters? Because every movie comes up with a new fucking keyword about, like, you know, how the movie, the sacred timeline nexus, being anchor, being, like, all this different shit that doesn't matter incursions, you know, it just the quantum realm. [01:58:19] Speaker A: But it's also just the fact that it's like, I hate the fact that, you know, those conversations about, like. Yeah, I agree with that. [01:58:25] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:58:25] Speaker A: And I know that some people be like, well, it's, it's different writers and it happens with comics. Like, it's. It's different interpretations. Like, what's wrong with. What's wrong with different interpretations? The reason why it's frustrating, they all. [01:58:35] Speaker B: Take place in the same space. [01:58:37] Speaker A: And also it's, it's the same thing that we could use to basically now bolster up multiverse amandas, versions of, like, doing shit like this, where it's like the whole fucking Scarlet witch versus, like, the new avengers shit is like, was constantly chat on because it wasn't what people wanted it to be and said, like, oh, it didn't make sense. [01:58:56] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:58:56] Speaker A: And then now we're at a point with Deadpool, Wolverine, where it's like, this is exactly what I wanted. There's nothing wrong with this. And it's like, guys. [01:59:01] Speaker B: Yeah, I think maybe fucking stop. I think maybe. Yeah, you said maybe right after we saw this movie. Like this. This is kind of, I think, everything that the people who hated multiverse of madness wanted. [01:59:17] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:59:17] Speaker B: And I think you're right. Like, if you love. If you hated multiverse of madness, you're probably gonna love this movie because I can bet why you hated multiverse of madness is cause it wasn't multiversy enough for you. [01:59:28] Speaker A: And actually. Cause again, at least multiverse has a fucking plot, too. [01:59:33] Speaker B: Right? Right. [01:59:33] Speaker A: What's so weird about that, too, is like, at least with multiverse of madness, it seemed like the weirdest thing that people had an issue with. Go is like, yeah, it wasn't multiversy enough. It was more about Doctor Strange. And it's like, yeah, oh, boo hoo. [01:59:45] Speaker B: The sequel, it's carries over themes and narratives from the first movie. How sad. [01:59:51] Speaker A: It's like being fucking pissed that Black Panther two is not called Namor. Like, it's like, no, it's like Nate. [01:59:57] Speaker B: Like, it's like Black Panther in the Namor verse. [01:59:59] Speaker A: Yeah, it's just like, guys, like, like, we already know that when it comes to Fantastic Four first steps and whatever the X Men is going to look like in the MCU, they've already established that they're going to be different universes that somehow get tied into the MCU in some way, shape, or form. [02:00:15] Speaker B: Yeah. [02:00:16] Speaker A: So we're going to. [02:00:16] Speaker B: If the multiverse four is any indication, it'll probably be another. Yeah, yeah. Dimension that gets roped in. [02:00:23] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. And with the multiverse shit, it's like, so we're going to keep getting this multiverse shit. So we got to. Now. Now they're at a point where Deadpool and Wolverine is now the laziest interpretation of the multiverse that we've got in the MCU so far. [02:00:34] Speaker B: Yeah. [02:00:35] Speaker A: Can we now at least have some leniency when other people do the multiverse shit? And it's kind of like, okay, maybe it's not perfect, but guess what? It's fine. [02:00:44] Speaker B: Yeah. [02:00:45] Speaker A: Because it's like, again, it's. It. Yeah, it is. It is something. Again, it's. You can enjoy the cameos here and not enjoy the cameos and multiverse of madness for genuine reasons. That is not why. I'm not saying multiverse of madness is perfect, because it isn't. [02:00:59] Speaker B: Yeah. [02:01:00] Speaker A: And it. That movie has its own issues as well, because again, the big thing about the multiverse is when you focus on the multiverse and a narrative, it becomes an issue with Deadpool and Wolverine very much more than anything else, multiverse wise. It's just like when you focus way too much on the timey wimey science bullshit. That doesn't matter in the tail end of things, the characters suffer. And this film basically has no actual real characters with definition. And as long as you are, I mean, if you are okay with that, it is still a good time. But at the same time, it's weird to have people prop this movie up as a way to do the multiverse. [02:01:40] Speaker B: Yeah. Or like, this is what the franchise needed. [02:01:43] Speaker A: Or like, have people, have you actually seen things? [02:01:47] Speaker B: Yes, I've, I've been sucking. [02:01:49] Speaker A: God damn it. [02:01:50] Speaker B: You know, the whole, the whole, like, consensus about this movie has been like, mcU's back, baby. [02:01:55] Speaker A: No. [02:01:56] Speaker B: And it's like, this is what I was worried about. [02:01:59] Speaker A: That was genuinely, I was worried about. [02:02:00] Speaker B: Because, like, I literally every problem the MCU has in a single movie, and. [02:02:05] Speaker A: Then it's also this, like, I hate that with franchises, especially with people that only watch the shit in a franchise. Or it's like, yeah, where it's like she Hulk was the death of everything. Secret evasion was the death of everything. Now Deadpool, Wolverine saves it all. There's no bat like, guys, it's all fucking flawed. Be okay with the flaws, man. It was flawed in phase one. It's gonna be flawed until phase. Whatever they get to. [02:02:30] Speaker B: Yeah. [02:02:30] Speaker A: So for fuck sakes, this movie doesn't save anything. If anything, it just shows that, like, there's still people who are into the MCU. And you know what? That was already a thing to begin with. All it really does is just kind of tell Marvel that the bar is lower than it's ever been in terms of audience engagement, I guess anticipation. [02:02:51] Speaker B: I think that's the most surprising thing about the reception to this movie. Not that people really like it because it's a, you know, it's a populist movie. It's going for every opportunity to get the most people to like this movie so it makes sense and it's succeeding at that. [02:03:05] Speaker A: Yeah. [02:03:06] Speaker B: What baffles me about the response to the film is. Yeah. That it's somehow instilling hope or comfort in the people who are invested in this franchise, that the franchise still has legs. And obviously, financially it's showing that. But it's like, what about this movie remedies or improves upon any of the things this franchise has been suffering from? From, like, it enables all of it, all of the problems it does. It exacerbates every problem. [02:03:41] Speaker A: And it can enable it because it's like, very clearly, Levy and Reynolds and Jackman are not going to be back in this kind of capacity. [02:03:50] Speaker B: They're not. [02:03:51] Speaker A: They're going to be smaller roles, if anything. [02:03:53] Speaker B: Yeah, they don't. And this is not a knock. They don't care about the broader strokes of the franchise. And why would they? [02:04:01] Speaker A: They shouldn't. [02:04:01] Speaker B: Yeah, why would they? [02:04:04] Speaker A: But at the same time. [02:04:05] Speaker B: But then this movie has so much to do with all that crap. [02:04:08] Speaker A: Yeah. [02:04:08] Speaker B: It's like, okay, why? Why are we doing both? [02:04:14] Speaker A: And then that begs the question, why does this movie have any kind of attempt at an emotional arc for Wolverine and Deadpool? [02:04:22] Speaker B: So they say they tried. [02:04:23] Speaker A: Yeah. Why is Deadpool's fucking ensemble here when they are so useless in every way, shape or form? Form. Why is this movie 2 hours when you could do this in 90 minutes? [02:04:33] Speaker B: Yeah. [02:04:33] Speaker A: And when you really just. Because again, there's a version of this movie where if you just take out Cassandra Nova or if you have her in it and she's entirely, you just have paradox send references to the Honda Odyssey throughout the entire film. It is a buddy cop. Yeah, buddy comedy road trip, where every fight scene is like stopping the Honda odyssey. Here's this. Yeah, here's that. I mean, again, because, like, I think. [02:04:59] Speaker B: I think, you know, a better version of this movie almost leaves the void out entirely because, you know, it's kind of the ugliest part of the whole movie, but also like. And is more of just like a clip show of all the different franchises represented, and it's just them traveling through the multiverse doing random shit. [02:05:17] Speaker A: This is the biggest thing that I think is the most hypocrite critical I've seen response wise for this movie. Can we please stop pretending that the effects are not fucking ass in place? [02:05:28] Speaker B: Terrible? [02:05:29] Speaker A: There are fucking shit effects in this movie. Yeah, there are some good effects in this movie. I think there's. I mean, again, I mean, every Marvel. [02:05:36] Speaker B: Movie has good and bad effects, but I think this has a lot that. [02:05:40] Speaker A: Are getting a pass after fucking again, after fucking years of having a single trailer get fucking just of a single Marvel film just getting, like, just decimated just to get decimated because they clearly use the volume for one shot. Like in Quantum mania. Like, again, that shot doesn't look good, but there are shots in Quantum media where it's like, yeah, it looks pretty good, but if you wouldn't know that, because most people will talk about it as if the whole film looks like that one flat shot. Are you fucking telling me that the shot when Wolverine pulls up his fucking cow, or the part when Wolverine jumps out of the bus and is a different color than fucking Deadpool because he's entirely CGI and also in an idle animation, like, he's a video game character. [02:06:29] Speaker B: He's made out of rubber? [02:06:31] Speaker A: That. That looks great, guys. That fight scene in the bus, that's fun. The dead. The Deadpools versus theme. That's a lot of fun. But not. Let's not fucking pretend that whole, like, the whole film looks great, because it really doesn't. [02:06:46] Speaker B: No, it's easily the worst looking of these three. [02:06:49] Speaker A: And also is the fact that, like, even our friend Austin and I think we all three saw it at the beginning of the film when fucking Deadpool is. [02:06:56] Speaker B: When he's digging up Logan's bone. [02:06:58] Speaker A: And you know what? It's a funny fucking scene. But guess what? That's clearly on a soundstage. That's clearly on the fucking volume. That, like, led backlot. Like, that doesn't look real. That whole fight in the bye bye bye section, that whole thing doesn't really look real. It barely looks like it's in an actual. [02:07:16] Speaker B: Well. And the shots of him dancing look like they're an entirely different location from the actual fight. [02:07:21] Speaker A: Yes. They look like they're on a fucking green screen. And again, it's like, after years and years of having, literally this. This also has to play to fox. Like, the. Just having years of people seeing, like, the first shot of quicksilver in days of future past being like, this movie's dog shit. There's nothing that can make this look good. And then, like, the movie comes out, and it's like. No one says, I was wrong. [02:07:39] Speaker B: Yeah. [02:07:40] Speaker A: And now we're getting to the point, we're getting the opposite, where it's like, this movie fucking looks awesome. And I can't believe he gets the fucking cow. [02:07:45] Speaker B: Holy shit. I think this is where. [02:07:47] Speaker A: This is where rough in places, animation, like, visual effects wise. [02:07:51] Speaker B: Yeah. And I think this, you know, these kind of passes we're seeing being handed out to this movie goes back to what you said earlier about, you know, this movie coming out when it does, like, you know, the last Deadpool movie was pre pandemic. It was pre Fox buyout or, you know, Fox disillusioned, basically. Yeah. And so now we're six years on, and it's like, oh, great. We finally get, you know, we get to still have these characters, at least for one more movie. [02:08:23] Speaker A: Yeah. [02:08:23] Speaker B: We get to reunite with them and see them reunite. And I think that's why a lot of people are like, I still don't. You still can't justify the logical leaps being made. No, but it's. I think that's why we're seeing so many people just being willing to be like, oh, yeah, great movie. Because it's like, yeah, we just wanted more of that. [02:08:46] Speaker A: Yeah. [02:08:46] Speaker B: And you know what, to see more. [02:08:47] Speaker A: Of them again when Jackman and Reynolds don't have to worry about anything in this film plot wise or has to have anyone else in the scene with them a lot of the time when it's just them. [02:08:59] Speaker B: Yeah, they have good banter. [02:09:00] Speaker A: They are great dynamic. And even so, like, the scene where, like, nice pool gets introduced or dog pool, you know, like, I love dog pool. God bless that girl. She's so adorable and ugly and I love it. And nice. I mean, just, again, when it's just the two of them together and you don't have to worry about the bullshit of, like, what, what the fuck are they even gonna try to attempt to do with Cassandra when they clearly don't need to have her there? Or what the fuck is paradox gonna say? It doesn't fucking matter. Like, when they're just able to just. Yeah. Banter and, like, be able to act. It is fun to be able to see them just do good as actors, but it's bogged down by fucking everything else about Deadpool and Wolverine. And it's a fucking bummer to go from, you know, Ryan Reynolds talking about the fact that, like, one of the reasons why, you know, the original, you know, the Deadpools in one directly saying, like, you know, Deadpool wanted to work a lot better in terms of blockbuster stuff is because, you know, the smaller, smaller budgets equate to less people, you know, putting their fingers in the pot and trying to make creative decisions or make lazy choices by throwing money at the screen. [02:10:09] Speaker B: Right. [02:10:09] Speaker A: And this is literally a film that just feels like there is money being thrown at the screen since as soon as it starts. [02:10:16] Speaker B: Yeah. [02:10:17] Speaker A: Like, it just feels lazy from the get go. And it's a bummer too, because it's like anytime I've literally before seen the film and then definitely after I've watched a lot of interviews with Levy and Jackman and Reynolds, and they have such a great time, an incredible energy. And I honestly, Levy is one of those directors where anytime I see him talk with the people around him, he clearly has a Snyder, like a Snyder esque charisma with his cast. [02:10:46] Speaker B: Yeah, he's clearly like a fun person. [02:10:48] Speaker A: To work with because clearly it's like, you know, chaining Tatum, of course, is gonna work well with Sean Levy because guess what? He did another cameo and fucking free guy and worked with him. Jennifer Gardner was an Adam project. [02:11:00] Speaker B: Yeah. [02:11:00] Speaker A: And, you know, like, with, with Wesley, even though he's never worked with Sean Levy, just the fact that, like, you know, levy with all these people that, you know, seeing all these people that, like working with Levy and the fact that Levy has such an energy in interviews, he has such a crazed energy in a way that has a passion to it. And also is the fact that, like, the man is just attached to so many fucking projects. Like, again, like, he is one of the big proponents of why we have stranger things. He's one of the big proponents why we have a lot of shit that's out right now. Like, it's. He's a big producer and is constantly producing stuff and is constantly, clearly has an eye for people who have really good ideas and, like, tries to basically give them a platform to talk and give them a platform to work. And that's a really good thing for a director to have. And it's good to have charisma and have, you know, he does have some good films under his belt. It's just, I think most of the stuff I've seen of his is like a six out of ten. [02:11:54] Speaker B: Yeah. It's just such a shame that somebody that, like, charismatic and clearly, like, good for other artists is such a boring fucking filmmaker. [02:12:06] Speaker A: It's very much got, like, almost Fuqua energy. Kind of like with Antonio Fuku where it's just like, Antoine Fuqua has at. [02:12:13] Speaker B: Least Fuqua kind of has a style. [02:12:15] Speaker A: He does have a style. And I will give. I will give Fuqua that. But I think it's just like, yeah, it is. The fact that, like, my favorite Sean levy film at this point point is probably still real steel and that literally is just a rocky knockoff with Rockhampton robots and Hugh Jackman. Like, it really is. Just the fact that, like, with Levy, it is. It's no surprise. I have, I'm not surprised at all that, like, Reynolds, after working with him for both free guy and Adam project, is probably like, this guy can handle a big budget and get money back. [02:12:44] Speaker B: Yeah. [02:12:45] Speaker A: Especially a big budget and film that was made for Disney and actually make it back. [02:12:49] Speaker B: Right. [02:12:50] Speaker A: With free guy, but again, with free guy. I just remember watching free guy hearing so long just how people were really enjoying that film. And I think that movie is at best, mid as fuck and has just very little going for it other than the fact that they hammer. The hammer from Fortnite shows up or the Captain America. [02:13:09] Speaker B: Yeah. Again, it's references to things. [02:13:12] Speaker A: And again, like, it's. There is. There is a space for populous cinema that Levy feels that. I'm glad, again, that people enjoy free guy, that people enjoy his stuff. I mean, he also did big fat liar, so, like, again, people, he has done films that people have liked for years, but let's not pretend that he. There's anything really added much here directing wise, it feels like. Yeah, the fact that he's able to basically get checks cut to them so Reynolds and Jackman can play in the sandbox thing. [02:13:45] Speaker B: Yeah. [02:13:46] Speaker A: Is basically, again, in a very Kenobi limited series way. This feels like, this feels like a project that has no justification for existing other than the fact that people like these characters. [02:13:58] Speaker B: Mm hmm. [02:13:59] Speaker A: And the people that play these characters, like, playing these characters and with each other and with each other. And so it's like. And that's fine, but that also means, you know, why the fuck am I watching? Why the fuck would I watch this more than once? And to be fair, like, that's not the issue for this film because this film is still making fucking bank. [02:14:16] Speaker B: Right. [02:14:16] Speaker A: And people are still constantly talking about it. I still cannot get over the fucking fact that, you know, because again, I've been. I've been dying to talk about it since we saw this in theaters because I remember us three, you, me, and our friend Austin, who you would. Anyone would know from the Chris Pratt episode. [02:14:32] Speaker B: Yeah. [02:14:33] Speaker A: You know, just walking out of the theater on all three of us being, like, shoulder shrugged, being like, this literally could go either way. [02:14:40] Speaker B: Yeah. [02:14:40] Speaker A: We could see people shitting on this film and just, like, saying that the MCU is officially dead from this point. Or we could also see people just saying that the MCU is back and that this movie is the best thing they've done in years. And I don't think we were anticipating how much the latter it was gonna be until at least, because, again, I will also just. I mean, I. In between, when we saw Deadpool, Wolverine in this. In this recording, I got fucking Covid. [02:15:09] Speaker B: Yeah. [02:15:09] Speaker A: The first time I, in four and a half years post in pandemic. First time ever getting it. So I was quarantined in my room and I could not believe how it didn't matter if I was on Facebook, if I was on Twitter, if I was on Instagram, it did not matter. I would fucking see tiktoks of fucking Deadpool and Wolverine. There were days on, days on end where I would see bye, bye, bye. Right opening right where it's like this. This scenes in my head right now, it's like, this is the best opening scene I've ever seen in my life. [02:15:37] Speaker B: Yeah. [02:15:37] Speaker A: And then a few days go by, and then now all I'm getting right now, Andy, and I don't know if you are too. I am just getting Gambit. [02:15:45] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, I've gotten a lot of gambit, like the last 24 hours. [02:15:51] Speaker A: Getting just like so many fucking gambit. Tick tock reels, fucking stories. [02:15:58] Speaker B: Movie is. And again, taking the world by storm. [02:16:01] Speaker A: I'm glad that people are enjoying the movie. Genuinely. I'm excited to hear some people get excited about the MCU again. It's just a bummer that I think all this excitement is gonna be for. Not in terms of actual quality in the future, because there's not really much here to latch onto after an initial viewing. Because I feel like this film is gonna age like milk. [02:16:24] Speaker B: I mean, yeah, this. [02:16:25] Speaker A: This movie, much faster than the other two. [02:16:27] Speaker B: This movie, because of the movie that it is and because of the responses it's getting, is the kind of thing that, like, the studio takes all the wrong lessons from. Or really, it's not even all the wrong lessons. Cause I don't know what else you would take from this movie. But, like, it is the kind of movie that's a. Probably going to result in a lot more lazy, less artistic, less ambitious populist swings from Marvel. [02:16:56] Speaker A: I mean, is it really like, if. [02:16:57] Speaker B: This is their biggest hit in years, they're probably gonna try and make more like this? [02:17:02] Speaker A: I mean, to be fair, wouldn't it just. [02:17:04] Speaker B: Which is a bummer to me. [02:17:05] Speaker A: This might be a fucking tinfoil hat thing, but it just is the fact that, like, it's not surprising to me that it's like they. When. If they predicted the reason why Deadpool, Wolverine would be so, you know, popular, if they predicted that before I'd come out. No shit. That they were gonna probably expect people to be excited or a lot of people be excited for RDJ. [02:17:25] Speaker B: Yeah. [02:17:27] Speaker A: Even though in my opinion, I feel like that is such a rough, weird, and I don't know if I really. [02:17:34] Speaker B: Like that because more of a swing. Yeah. [02:17:38] Speaker A: That is a swing that I don't think anyone anticipated a single person, I think, really anticipated to have RDJ come back. [02:17:47] Speaker B: I think a lot of people suspected he would come back. I don't think anybody thought it would be for anything other than Tony Stark. [02:17:53] Speaker A: Yeah. And I thought it'd be. Yeah. I thought it probably more like the Chris Evans of it all, like, in Deadpool and Wolverine, where they thought, like, you know, yeah, he would come back. Yeah. Which, again, it's. It just is kind of now it's in a weird spot where I think now, after the doomsday announcement, I think we're a lot of people, I think us included, are just like a. I don't even fucking know what the. [02:18:16] Speaker B: Because now it's like, when's that? 2026. [02:18:19] Speaker A: That's 2026. But, like, we're gonna get first. [02:18:22] Speaker B: Less than two years away. Like, first steps. [02:18:25] Speaker A: And we got first steps next year, which is now going into production. [02:18:29] Speaker B: And is that thunderbolts next year or is that 2020 again? [02:18:33] Speaker A: That's the funny thing, too. Is the announcement of Doomsday and secret wars or re announcement of secret wars. [02:18:39] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. [02:18:40] Speaker A: Is the fact that it's like, there's all these other projects that have been. [02:18:43] Speaker B: Kind of overshadowed all of the. All of the steps along the way. So now we're like, yeah, everybody's kind of excited for Avengers five and six again. But, like, aren't we forgetting that we were all kind of concerned about all the other projects? [02:18:56] Speaker A: Yeah. And I think it's like, this weird thing. It's. [02:18:58] Speaker B: Blade is still in hell. [02:19:00] Speaker A: Yeah. It's like this weird thing. Like, a deadpool. Wolverine has a lot of this to where it's just like, you have this question of, like, so does that mean we need to think about this? Like, I don't know. [02:19:10] Speaker B: Yeah. Where it's like, it still feels like there's no plan. [02:19:12] Speaker A: Is Iron Heart even a fucking thing? Is armor wars even a movie? [02:19:18] Speaker B: We ever see Namor again? Will we ever see armor wars? [02:19:21] Speaker A: Like, I honestly. Again, I think we both are, indecently. [02:19:25] Speaker B: I just want moon night season two. [02:19:27] Speaker A: I want Moon Knight season two. [02:19:28] Speaker B: You know what? I want a Moon Knight movie. That's what I want. [02:19:31] Speaker A: I am genuinely in at the point with the MCU where I'm like, listen, guys, two movies in a show, maybe a year, maybe. Or maybe every other year. Don't just fucking. People are clearly excited about the fact that we're not trying to shove four Marvel films or four Marvel projects a year. [02:19:55] Speaker B: Yeah. [02:19:56] Speaker A: And because, again, to be honest, there's a lot of marvel projects that are actually pretty fucking fun that were shoved during those years that people are like, well, this is too much. Because it was too much. [02:20:05] Speaker B: Yeah. And it's just like, there was good that came of it, but yes, came a problem production wise and cultural or public consciousness wise. [02:20:14] Speaker A: It just. Yeah, cuz it's. Now it's like. Yeah, it. I liked Riri Jones and fucking Black Panther too, but, like, is it. [02:20:22] Speaker B: She getting hot enough to be invested in, like, whatever. Yeah, next. [02:20:26] Speaker A: Like, something like, where it's like, the whole thing with, like, echo. Yeah, that fucking came out where it's like, I thought Echo was fun in Hawkeye. Does she need a show? [02:20:33] Speaker B: No, but, you know, let's invent a label for her show to signify that you're never gonna see her again. [02:20:40] Speaker A: That is. Yeah, gosh, I forgot about that fucking label. [02:20:43] Speaker B: What was it? Marvel spotlight? Is that what they call. [02:20:46] Speaker A: Yeah, there's also fucking daredevil. Daredevil born again. [02:20:50] Speaker B: Yeah, that's coming. [02:20:51] Speaker A: It's getting like Twin Peaks that return, like 20 amount of, like 20 episodes. Like. [02:20:56] Speaker B: Yeah, it's like, what the fuck? Next year. [02:20:58] Speaker A: It's supposed to be next year. [02:21:00] Speaker B: We're supposed to get mostly shot. [02:21:02] Speaker A: We're supposed to get the fucking Agatha show in September. [02:21:05] Speaker B: Yeah, the Agatha show with no name. [02:21:08] Speaker A: It just is, like, so weirdly, like, it doesn't feel like anything is being fixed. And I feel like with Deadpool and Wolverine, because people are just giving that film such a pass. The broadest pass any MCU film I think has ever gotten in the history of the MCU. They are literally not gonna really stop the amount that they're making. [02:21:28] Speaker B: Yeah. Release. They're not gonna pay any more attention than they were to, like, trying to make sure that it all worked. [02:21:35] Speaker A: Yeah. Like, I mean, the fact that it's like. It is. Gosh, it's gonna be funny just like, you know, a year or two from now when closer to Doomsday, where someone like, you know, poorly aged things, releases like the Go see the Kang dynasty in two weeks or something like that, where it's just like, it's such a weird time to be an MCU film. Fucking sucks. That, like, this is what the conversation is about Deadpool right now, because the other two films, hilariously, the other two films are in this fun spot of just like, you don't have to give a fuck about the other X Men movies. Just like, come watch me. [02:22:10] Speaker B: Yeah. [02:22:10] Speaker A: And now it's like, with Deadpool and Wolverine, it's hard to talk about anything but the MCU surrounding Deadpool because the. [02:22:17] Speaker B: Actual Deadpool saturates itself with all that shit and clearly, somehow, at the same time, doesn't care about it. [02:22:24] Speaker A: Yeah. And it just is like, uh. It's. It's tiresome. It's. It's like, it's. It is tiresome. And it's, again, it's a bummer because it sounds like it's tiresome because people like it, and that's not the case. The problem is, is, like, it's weird how for so many, it's weird being someone that, like, you know, for years, had to be, like, weirdly, like, apologetic for liking Iron man three, even though that's a great movie. [02:22:50] Speaker B: Yeah. [02:22:50] Speaker A: And then one, and then one time, someone decided to flip a switch and go, oh, yeah, consensus is Iron Man Three is a good movie. And the fact that we've done that so many times with the MCU that it just is, like, now I'm just waiting for, like, a year or two now for people to be like, yeah, let's quit pretending that, you know, Deadpool and Wolverine's good. The movie's dog shit, and it's gonna be like, guys, it's not even, it's. Again, because Deadpool Wolverine is not even, like, it's not even, like, the worst comic book superhero movie or anything like that. So I've been like, it's fucking Madam Webb came out this year. So, like, it's like, yeah, there is much worse superhero Shelock or superhero content out there right now. Hell, it's not even the worst MCU project because secret invasion still exists. [02:23:33] Speaker B: God. Yeah. [02:23:34] Speaker A: But it's like, it's the fact of the matter that it's like, this film could have really gone an avenue that actually focused on, like, wanting to bring the Fox Deadpool films in a way that tied well with the MCU and kind of blended well and really did its own thing in the MCU, but still played well enough that you'd want to see Deadpool more. And we are going to see Deadpool more clearly, but, like, it didn't play. It doesn't matter. Deadpool wanted to, didn't matter, other than having enough clout to get this to happen. [02:24:09] Speaker B: Right. [02:24:09] Speaker A: So it's just, yeah, Deadpool and Wolverine again. I am gonna. I do plan on at some point, probably when it's on Disney plus in, like, five months, giving you another watch. [02:24:19] Speaker B: Yeah. [02:24:19] Speaker A: Probably having a fun time. But I I. Right now, I'm almost in a rise of skywalkery. Like, the more I think about it. [02:24:27] Speaker B: The more kind of upsetting started, the. [02:24:29] Speaker A: More the problems start to really uproot themselves. [02:24:32] Speaker B: Yeah. Where we're. Yeah, I. The movie is more frustrating than it is bad. [02:24:39] Speaker A: Yes. And. Oh, man. But yeah, that's the Deadpool trilogy. We are nearly at the two and a half hour mark, ladies and gentlemen, and. Oh, boy. And thankfully, we are at the end of this. I mean, again, Deadpool one, I definitely highly recommend that one. Deadpool two, I would recommend as well. And if you like both of those films, I would say give Deadpool and Wolverine watch as well. But I'm going to say with bold, italicized mileage may vary when it comes to that movie. [02:25:15] Speaker B: And although clearly don't take our word for it. [02:25:19] Speaker A: Yeah, again, we are in the minority, and we made sure we had the disclaimer a while ago to bring that up. But again, you know, this is what this fucking podcast is made for because of weird shit like this. Yeah, we never expected to have this kind of strong opinions about this fucking movie when we went in to go see it, too, like that Thursday. [02:25:39] Speaker B: Yeah. [02:25:40] Speaker A: But here we are. And thankfully, no more Deadpool after this. Yeah, we have talked about Deadpool ad nauseam at this point. Now we are going to another franchise that we talked about at the end of our costner, but more franchises, more slop. Eat the slop. But this is a franchise that has been truly, if we think the deadpool trio or odd. Oh, boy. [02:26:03] Speaker B: This franchise, franchise of ups and downs. [02:26:06] Speaker A: Franchise of Ups and Downs is the best way to put it, Andy, in honor of the new release of Alien Romulus, another return. [02:26:14] Speaker B: Yes. Legacy sequel thing, we are dedicating the. [02:26:20] Speaker A: Next two episodes to the Alien sequels, which are, of course, aliens, alien three or alien cubed as. [02:26:31] Speaker B: That's how I prefer. [02:26:32] Speaker A: Well, that's how most things it's written. [02:26:34] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. [02:26:34] Speaker A: I think in letterbox. [02:26:35] Speaker B: Alien super script three. [02:26:36] Speaker A: Yeah. And alien Resurrection. [02:26:38] Speaker B: Yeah. The original run of sequels to the original Alien film. [02:26:43] Speaker A: On August 24, we will be doing the aliens, the original alien sequels, and then September 7, we are going to be talking about what we like to call the Alien reboot quills. [02:26:55] Speaker B: Yes. [02:26:55] Speaker A: Because in between the original sequels as well as, you know, the two thousands where, you know, Alien versus Predator was going rampant until Requiem became, I believe, the worst film in both franchises and killed that idea for a trilogy of their own. In the early 2010s, Ridley Scott came back to the series, and so we are deciding to call the September trilogy Alien reboot quills because we are talking about Ridley Scott's return with Prometheus and then his pseudo sequel to Prometheus, but also kind of its own, trying to kind of get people back into the bridge between, yeah, with alien Covenant and then in honor of the new release of being yet another return, maybe a reboot in the universe. We're still not sure yet, but we'll talk about in the episode this year's alien, Romulus. [02:27:57] Speaker B: Yeah, all three of those latter films kind of attempting to, you know, return to that world, rekindle excitement for that franchise in different ways. And, you know, I think Romulus looks pretty cool. I'm excited for it. [02:28:11] Speaker A: Once it was announced that it was fede Alvarez from Evil Dead remake and don't breathe fame, I was like, this shit's gonna be nasty. [02:28:18] Speaker B: Yeah. Should be a crusty little alien horror. [02:28:21] Speaker A: Movie, which is fun to think because Alien Covenant's pretty fucking nasty. [02:28:25] Speaker B: Yeah, influence is. [02:28:26] Speaker A: Yeah. I'm excited to see how it could get any nastier, but yeah, tune in on August 24 for our original Alien sequels trilogy as well as September 7 for our Alien reboot Cools trilogy. But until then, I'm Logan Sowash. [02:28:41] Speaker B: And I'm Andy Carr. [02:28:42] Speaker A: Thank you so much for listening. Bye.